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Some of you AREN'T going to like this!

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Topic: Some of you AREN'T going to like this!
Posted By: Holly
Subject: Some of you AREN'T going to like this!
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:51pm
Hi,Well, I thought now was an oppurtune time to write about a certain hairdresser in England who I think may be famous in America, since he styles the hair of many celebrities: Nicky Clark-a stylist from the U.K.I bought a book some months back called "Nicky Clark: Hair Power". It was your basic hair care/hairstyling book, based on the advice by Nicky Clark. In it, he states that (and this is not word for word as I no longer have the book)"Long hair should not be let to grow anywhere past the chest. Hair that is waist-length is freakish". (He definitely said the word "freakish" about waist length hair-I remembered being disgusted about that remark made for a length that I never heard of as referred to like that before).It may interest some of you to know that he's the stylist to Jerry Hall (and Brad Pitt, to name a couple of celebrities). A couple of months ago, there was the thread here on "Politics" (for those of you who are new or don't remember)about Jery hall cutting her hair-guess what? I just saw a picture of her and it's now to the top of her chest. When that thread first came out, I saw the picture and thought it wasn't too much to comment about-the length wasn't that much shorter (from what I saw in that picture-maybe it looked shorter in the actual magazine where the picture came from). So, from what I see now, he might have convinced Jerry that shorter is better. I do think I remember him being an advocate for shorter hair on women over 40-probably convinced Jerry of the same.Obviously, this is a hairstylist who wants people to keep coming back for haircuts-what better way to do that than to propogate ideas like his? It's smart business sense, but definitely (in my opinion)not in the clients best interests.(Please understand, I'm not knocking ALL hairstylists. There are many who respect a clients wish for long hair and like it themselves. I'm only referring to this particular hairstylist, but I'm sure there are others who think like him, at least in part).Here's some other thoughts from Nicky Clark:"Big hair is SO American" (this was in a negative tone)."If you like a hairstyle, don't be afraid to go up and ask that person where they got it styled (It's American, I know, but they get things done)".(Talking about the Oscars on a British morning show in March)"They all like wearing big styles; well, they're(America)a young country, they have to grow up yet".This guy obviously has a problem with America! Actually, from my experience, some British people DO have a problem with Americans, but that's a topic for another board, I guess! "Smile".Well, the man has mutiny aboard his ship, as I just read that one of his team of stylists have walked out on him. She is teaming up with a stylist from Vidal Sassoon, to create their own salon. I have yet to find out their views on hair length!Back to Jerry, though, if that's what she wants, fine, but it really is at an ordinary length. It's still nice hair, but why cut it to the collarbone when nothing seemed wrong with it (no damage or anything)? My opinion is, if your going to cut it, do something entirely different. With this style, it says to me " I'm 40 now so I better make it shorter or I'll look all wrong for my age". If that was the thought process behind the cut, I don't agree at all.(I really have no idea, but since Nicky is her hairdresser, that just might be the reasoning).Holly

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Replies: 43
Posted By: Holly
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:51pm
Hi,Well, I thought now was an oppurtune time to write about a certain hairdresser in England who I think may be famous in America, since he styles the hair of many celebrities: Nicky Clark-a stylist from the U.K.I bought a book some months back called "Nicky Clark: Hair Power". It was your basic hair care/hairstyling book, based on the advice by Nicky Clark. In it, he states that (and this is not word for word as I no longer have the book)"Long hair should not be let to grow anywhere past the chest. Hair that is waist-length is freakish". (He definitely said the word "freakish" about waist length hair-I remembered being disgusted about that remark made for a length that I never heard of as referred to like that before).It may interest some of you to know that he's the stylist to Jerry Hall (and Brad Pitt, to name a couple of celebrities). A couple of months ago, there was the thread here on "Politics" (for those of you who are new or don't remember)about Jery hall cutting her hair-guess what? I just saw a picture of her and it's now to the top of her chest. When that thread first came out, I saw the picture and thought it wasn't too much to comment about-the length wasn't that much shorter (from what I saw in that picture-maybe it looked shorter in the actual magazine where the picture came from). So, from what I see now, he might have convinced Jerry that shorter is better. I do think I remember him being an advocate for shorter hair on women over 40-probably convinced Jerry of the same.Obviously, this is a hairstylist who wants people to keep coming back for haircuts-what better way to do that than to propogate ideas like his? It's smart business sense, but definitely (in my opinion)not in the clients best interests.(Please understand, I'm not knocking ALL hairstylists. There are many who respect a clients wish for long hair and like it themselves. I'm only referring to this particular hairstylist, but I'm sure there are others who think like him, at least in part).Here's some other thoughts from Nicky Clark:"Big hair is SO American" (this was in a negative tone)."If you like a hairstyle, don't be afraid to go up and ask that person where they got it styled (It's American, I know, but they get things done)".(Talking about the Oscars on a British morning show in March)"They all like wearing big styles; well, they're(America)a young country, they have to grow up yet".This guy obviously has a problem with America! Actually, from my experience, some British people DO have a problem with Americans, but that's a topic for another board, I guess! "Smile".Well, the man has mutiny aboard his ship, as I just read that one of his team of stylists have walked out on him. She is teaming up with a stylist from Vidal Sassoon, to create their own salon. I have yet to find out their views on hair length!Back to Jerry, though, if that's what she wants, fine, but it really is at an ordinary length. It's still nice hair, but why cut it to the collarbone when nothing seemed wrong with it (no damage or anything)? My opinion is, if your going to cut it, do something entirely different. With this style, it says to me " I'm 40 now so I better make it shorter or I'll look all wrong for my age". If that was the thought process behind the cut, I don't agree at all.(I really have no idea, but since Nicky is her hairdresser, that just might be the reasoning).Holly


Posted By: Lady Godiva
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:51pm
I guess the way I see it that this is his opinion. It certainly doesn't change mine. Unfortunately, other people aren't as resolute as I am when it comes to hair. The biggest problem I see is that Mr. Clark uses snobbery in the form of Anti-American sentiment in a sad attempt to deride long hair. What a strange way to support short hair. Does short hair have so little going for it that this kind of argument is the best that he can come up with? It actually doesn't say anything about hair length at all, but it says a lot about Nicky Clark, to reduce himself to insulting a sizable segment of humanity to defend short hair. It's such a self-defeating attitude. I can't think of a better way to lose a huge chunk of clientele, potential of real.Jennifer Eve< -, aaja4 0 $ 4`r <$`2!$) -$)$!,-%-, bp .


Posted By: Holly
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:51pm
Hi Zorak,>I would tend to agree. Note that I fully support a> person's right to make his/her own decision, but I> *do* agree that hair that is past about bra-strap> length is kind of weird...I hesitate to use the work> "freakish".Well, I guess it's my turn now to (almost)be called "freakish"-I have hair longer than waist length-definitely hip length hair! If you remember I did use the term "freakish"-but later apologized-for knee-length hair. We all have different tastes, so I don't mind you hesitating that word. "Smile".> Yeah, since we won our independance from them over 200> years ago there had been a "strained> friendship", with a few squabbles and such....Well, it's time to get over it. Especially since we helped them out 50+ years ago. Sorry if that sounds a littleterse, but I've had first hand experience with this sort of prejudice, and it's no fun.> Uhh, you can surely bet that if she is working with a> guy from Vidal Sassoon that they will be promoting> short, geometric haircuts for women. The geometric> style is a Sassoon "trademark look". A large> part of a Sassoon stylist's training is the geometric> bob length haircut for women.Probably-but the guy from the Vidal Sasoon salon is only a colorist-the lady stylist who just broke away from Nicky Clark is the hairstylist. Sorry, I didn't include that before.> I agree. But just don't get *too* carried away with> the "different" idea, else that too is kind> of weird.I agree with that, too-No buzzcuts or maroon hair, please!I just don't like that loook that says (perhaps) "Still long, but shorter because of my age".Holly


Posted By: Holly
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:51pm
> I guess the way I see it that this is his opinion. It> certainly doesn't change mine. Unfortunately, other> people aren't as resolute as I am when it comes to> hair.I don't mind if a stylist has a peference-and at least he's warning people about what he prefers-but this "American" attack is strange sounding (to an Americans ears-and also the bit about even waist length hair being strange to him-but everyone has their preference length, I guess).Apparently we are always being talked about among the British. Not all of them, thank goodness (I'm married to one!)but it's like this: When I was in England a couple of months ago, almost every time I was in a pub or restaurant, they were talking about America-whether it was pro or negative, I don't know, but we seem to be the topic of conversation constantly-newspapers and other media, too. Think about it, do we go around discussing Britain constantly? Other than "People" magazine about the Royals, that is. In normal conversations, it doesn't happen. Wonder why we are so facinating, and provoke such interest, and sometimes prejudice? That little incident (Smile) was over 200 years ago!>The biggest problem I see is that Mr. Clark uses> snobbery in the form of Anti-American sentiment in a> sad attempt to deride long hair. What a strange way to> support short hair. Does short hair have so little> going for it that this kind of argument is the best> that he can come up with? It actually doesn't say> anything about hair length at all, but it says a lot> about Nicky Clark, to reduce himself to insulting a> sizable segment of humanity to defend short hair. It's> such a self-defeating attitude. I can't think of a> better way to lose a huge chunk of clientele,> potential of real.You should have seen him on a British morning show the morning after the Oscars-he was making remarks (as I said in the original post here)about the hairstyles of the celebrities (guess he doesn't care about getting business too much from the States) and the "presenters" (as they call them in Britain) of the show were making fun of how Gwyneth Paltrow cried about winning the Oscar. They said how Americans are so like that. It was in a codesending tone. Well, I guess we just "haven't grown up yet"-to quote Nicky! "Smile".I'm just glad my Hubby has all the great qualities of being British and none of the negative quirks!Holly


Posted By: Mark
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:52pm
> I know of two ladies that are seventy two years old,in my town and both ladies have thick, heavy, gray waist length hair. It looks magnificent and brilliant.The men just love it!!


Posted By: Holly
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:52pm
> Hi, Holly!> I hope you don't see yourself as "freakish"!> Instead, see yourself as "stunningly> beautiful".Thanks-don't worry, I don't see my hair as "freakish" at all!! "Smile".Holly


Posted By: Holly
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:52pm
Great also to see that you and all the other women here are viewing their hair length like me- being confident about their long hair.Holly


Posted By: Tiffany
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:52pm
The reason why alot of women cut their hair when they get older is that it makes them look younger and fresher! Some older women look great in longer hair but most don't. A test is to take a picture of your face just below your chin, so you see the face, not the length of the hair. Sometimes people look at the hair and not the face. If the woman looks good with hair just hanging down on the sides of her face, then she can wear long hair. Soft layers around the face help take the emphasis off wrinkles and lines, and long hair just accentuates them and makes you look older.


Posted By: Mark
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:52pm
> I will take all gray or all siver hair at any age over50. That thick,heavy,gray waist length hair looks great,on most ladies. One lady in my Square Dance Club,who is 80 years old, looks great with beautiful, brilliant,thick,all gray hair down to her waist.


Posted By: Mark
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:52pm
> How about saying that ninety five percent of all ladiesin the United States should have long hair,reguardlessof age. I would be happy if it was 95 percent of allladies have long hair.


Posted By: Holly
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:52pm
Hi,I can agree with Tiffany that sometimes the better look for a woman is shorter hair, or at least layers around the face. I think this can be true for older women, or even just younger women who would just look better with shorter hair.Think of Joan Lunden-when she went short a few years back, it (to me) made quite a difference-for the better.I also agree with Jena in that for many elderly women, long hair just may not be possible to deal with, due to certain conditions, such as arthritis, in that it limits your mobility.What my problem is with this stylist is that he is saying that at any age, waist length hair on any woman is freakish. To me, this length has been a well-accepted length for women-well, probably for all time! So it was quite a surprise to see a stylist actually state this. Then again, it wasn't, because it's such an obvious (at least to me)way to keep creating business for himself-although why he threw "big" hair into the equation (by this he was talking about volumous styles)as being "So American" I've no idea except that some of them do feel a little superior to Americans, I believe.I just think all of his views on this subject of hair length and big hair are ridiculous. I never gave it a second thought in regards to changing my own hair length-and I hope others who read his book and had longer hair than he prefers didn't buy into his way of thinking.Holly


Posted By: Mark
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:52pm
> There are a few older ladies that are up to age 80,that are in very good health,and they do like long waistlength hair. A few ladies at age 80, do like long grayhair. A few ladies in my square dance club can giveJena a new revised dose of reality,that they are energetic,and do like long gray hair. Some older ladies do havea good amount of energy.


Posted By: Mark
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:53pm
Dear CAROLYNA lot of ladies with long hair,do get pressure from otherladies to cut their hair short. You are correct,in thestatement that other short hair ladies are jealous ofthe beauty that long hair has on a older woman.The most prevelent problem that many husbands inNortheast Nebraska face,is the pressure the long hair wivesget from short hair ladies,at the wives work sites.Many husbands encourage their wives to hold firm,andpreserve their long hair. I have come across severalladies,that were very anxious,to pressure my wife,who hasbeautiful thick waist length hair,to go get a very short haircut. The ladies were very jealous of my wifes longhair. No you can not force any hair style on any lady.But a husband can tell you all of the advantages,thatlong hair has on you. A ladies long hair,should bepercieved as an colorful,brilliant, artistic enhancementfor older ladies over age fifty. Well my wife decidedto keep her long waist length hair,and is happy aboutthat decision. This is a era,where many ladies,with longhair,are facing the most intense pressure at many job sitesto get a short haircut. Some husbands,fold and wrap theirwives long hair,so she can work at a job site,and thenwear it down long for a man to enjoy at night. The Husbandswant the long hair on their wives preserved,and the businesses want a wives long hair cut off short.What decision does the wife with long hair make?Does she go along with husbands wishes of long hair,or the businesses requirement of short hair?


Posted By: george
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:53pm
Hi,I'm English and I just want to say that I don't agree at all with Nicky Clarke's comments. I love women with long hair and I don't think you should take any notice of him.It's true a lot of English people think Americans have big hair, but that's probably because we get a lot of American TV and it's behind you by a few years, so the hairstyles appear dated.I think a lot of American women have beautiful long hair, and Nicky Clarke seems to be giving a bad impression of the British by his comments. As someone previously suggested, a lot of hairdressers want you to have short hair because it means you visit them more often and they make more money.Long hair is beautiful. American hair is no less beautiful than British hair.George, London.$!- A flatt


Posted By: Mark
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:54pm
>There was a typhographical error,on the time frame.I was single,but I am now married. I have been married2 months. I will send you an e mail.


Posted By: Holly
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:54pm
Hey!You wouldn't happen to be THE George, of George Michael (The stylist-not meaning to confuse you with the singer)fame? "Smile".Well, even if you aren't, thanks for the post. I hope I didn't sound like ALL British people are that way. (Like I wrote in another post in this thread, I'm married to a Brit so obviously not all of you feel this way!)Don't worry, Nicky doesn't affect me in the least.American T.V. shows are dated sometimes by the time you get them, but I also think, and I can't blame England for this, that country music stars perpetuate this American image-at least some of the more long-standing stars.(I don't like country music anyway-sorry if that offends some people). It depends really on what Nicky means by "big". There's "volumous" big, like thick hair that everyone likes, and "big" meaning bouffaunt hair and 80's perms. I wish he was a little more descriptive. I will be the first to admit though that we invite some of this on ourselves-I remember being ridiculed a little myself in my hometown back in America for being up-to-date with fashion. The hicks there just went the opposite of Nicky-they frowned on fashion. Well, tough!Sometimes short hair is the best look for a woman-but certainly waist length is not a length to be ridiculed. I had said that I think it's a ploy to get business; since he's based in London maybe he feels the "Non-American-more British" factor is a smart sales tactic.Holly


Posted By: Holly
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:54pm
> Longhair4ever!>Also, will I give in to pressure to> "act my age" and get one of those styles> that Holly mentioned?Oh dear-that might read like I advocate those styles. I don't! "Smile".Holly


Posted By: Mark
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:54pm
> Carylon, Many ladies do fold and wrap,their long hairtightly the the top of the head,when they are working.You do not see many ladies with their long hair worn down,when they are at many work sites. So if you go arounda lot of businesses,many ladies will have their long hairfold and wrapped at the work site.,so if you come toNortheast Nebraska,there will appear to be many ladieswith short hair,but many ladies will have long hair folded and wrapped.Yes many long hair ladies face intense pressure from societyin the United States,and from businesses in the UnitedStates to get a short haircut. As you know it takes a longtime and a lot patience to grow middle of the back longhair. Pressure from jealous short haired women,for a longhaired lady to get a very short haircut, can set a longhair lady back several years,if she gets a very short haircut.I have a lady,friend RENE who is 42 years old with waistlength hair,who has had her hair tightly folded andwrapped,with one those big hair sticks. She has beenvery worried,that if she wore waist length hair,she wouldbe told by the office manager to get a short haircut.Helen,the office manager at my office loves very shorthair. The office manager,with her very short black hair,said to me when Rene was out to lunch "that lady withwaist length hair,really needs a good short clipper cut,taken down to 2 inches all over" "I hope this businesswill require very short hair on all ladies" I told Rene,what the office manager said,and she said she will standfirm and grow her hair longer,and keep it folded and wrapped.


Posted By: Dawn
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:55pm
> I do not agree. All women look better in long hair.> DAVID, EsquireI think that's a bit rigid. I think long hair looks great if its in good condition and it suits the person's face and body size/shape. I think it looks really overpowering when a tiny petite woman has waist length superthick hair! But hey, its their choice.Now, to all the men...don't any of you think a cool, 60s style geometric angled bob looks good on women? I am 28, with very thick hair that's to the top of my bra strap. I am SO sick of it...it just hangs there. Its also kinda damaged, so I am thinking of getting one of those vidal sasson 6ties bobs (without bangs). I think they are cool, but I am scared to do it.


Posted By: Mark
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:55pm
>I work in an electronic plant at a sales officeThe short hair cut rules for ladies have been proposed,but the short rules for a ladies IS NOT a requirement,at this time. I usuaully visit with all departmentsin this electronics plant. As far as the woman officemanager,remarks about very short hair on ladies it is possible she was kidding me. She does know I like long hair on ladies. She might have been joking,about very short haircuts,but there are several ladies,allwith very long hair that have anxiety,about getting a very short haircut. They ladies told me about their concernabout getting a forced haircut.I do know that this woman office manager,wants all longhair ladies to get a supershort clippercut like shehas on herself. She has talked to all of the long hair ladies in the plant,about suggesting they get a very short haircut like her. As of this time,she can NOT enforce any very short haircut standards,for ladies to remain employed.The lady office manager told me she was very jealousof ladies with long hair. She told me this directly tome. She wants her very short hairstyle,to be appliedto all ladies in the plant. She is certainly entitledto her opionion,but she SHOULD NOT FORCE a short haircuton a very long haired lady. This office manager wantedto use company funds,to hire a barber,to give all theladies with long hair, a very short haircut,right onthe company sight. The plant manager,who is man,rejectedthe plan.Some ladies who have very long hair at electronics planthave expressed concern to me,about the office managerstrongly recommending a super short clipper cut.IF the sales office and electronics plant decides to makevery short hair a requirement, I do not know if it willhappen. Carolyn,this lady might have been joking,but there are some ladies who do not think it is a joke.


Posted By: Mark
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:56pm
> DAVID, TEN MEN IN MY PLANT,HAVE SIGNED A PETETION FORFOR THE OFFICE MANAGER TO BE DISMISSED. I DO BELIEVETHE OFFICE MANAGER CAN BE DISSMISSED. THESE LADIES ATTHE PLANT REALLY HAVE VERY PRETTY LONG HAIR. THEY WANTTO KEEP THEIR LONG HAIR. I THINK THE TEN OF US MEN GETGET THE OFFICE MANAGER FIRED. ABOUT TEN LADIES WITH LONGHAIR PROTESTED ANY HAIR CUT. I THINK THE PLANT MANAGERUNDERSTANDS THE OFFICE MANAGER WILL NEED TO BE TERMINATED.


Posted By: Mark
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:56pm
>JENA, I have right to express my own thoughts and feelingsand ideas on the hairboard. You have been very arrogant,snotty are sarcastic. I hold different opionions on thehairboard than you,but your personal comments about meare NOT warranted. You keep trying to pick on me,withsome type of negative comments about my ideas. It is gettingold. You are resorting to smear tactics,which is not calledfor.


Posted By: Mark
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:56pm
>CaroylnI am a very polite,and formal man. I have been raised tobe polite and use clean and formal language. I am forreal and I do exist. Jena has twisted my image in verynegative way. I like to do amateur paintings are I dostudy art. I like to talk about long hair on ladies.This Hairboard Site is for discussion about long hair,Jena has certainly not been polite,but has been negativeand arrogant about my personality. It is true,there arevery few ladies left in the United States.


Posted By: Mark
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:57pm
>To; Jena and Linda, My personal life my business.This is a hairboard site for discussion about ladieshair styles. The ladies that I have as friends,and mynew wife,to whom I just got married,are not items to be discussed on this hairboard. Jena has made slanderous,arrogant,and snotty comments,that should not to be made in this hairboard,which are about me.


Posted By: JerkyFlea
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:57pm
> So what! So he said he was single and now he is saying> he just got married. So what?`One word: credibility.Not believing that he's jumping into THIS mess,JerkyFleaRelated Link:JerkyFlea's Celebrity Hair Spray0 - Aa badu`d ,%.4b` 4,b !4% !,$ $-- %! ,` /


Posted By: Dave
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:57pm
> I won't deny that you have the same right as anyone> else to post your opinions, but you're passing off all> your hair fantasies as fact!!! And what really bothers> me is that some people actually believe you! I will> not name names, but I've received e-mail from a couple> of women who corresponded with you who said you> encouraged them to get buzzcuts for their long hair!Ah yes, Mark's incarnation of his "BALD WOMAN" persona...> Hey, fantasy is great. I love creating various> fantasies myself, but I'm not so deluded to think that> my fantasies are real. Mark, if you honestly believe> all these wild hair tales you post here, then I am> very worried.....I'm not Mark, and I don't know Mark personally, but I'm guessing that Mark doesn't believe the tales he posts here. Rather, I imagine that he posts largely to elicit impassioned reactions of one sort or another.Dave!$) I Batare


Posted By: Holly
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:57pm
Gee Diane!You mention Karen and Jeff's rules so much, you sound like it's the end of the world if this board shuts down.I don't see anyone flaming here-Jena and whoever else are allowed to say what's on their mind. You are always telling us how proud of yourself you are for speaking up and saying what's on your mind..and you certainly do that a lot..so why can't someone else?Oh, and "Roxanne"-who sounds suspiciously like "Mark" (The word "Ladies" and wrong punctuation give it away)I think you're incorreect in saying that Jena has a problem with anyone else's thoughts and opinions that differ from hers.From what I have seen here, if you're going to say that about one person (and I personally don't agree with that remark)say it about EVERYONE that DOES get uptight over not so agreeable statements about long hair, too.I know I said in the past that I would not respond to your posts anymore Diane, but after reading your posts here and on the other new thread, it just begged for me to respond.HollyHolly


Posted By: Jeffrey Hines
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:58pm
Like JerkyFlea and others have said it comes down to credibility. If Mark isn't sure whether he is married or single, then can you believe anything else he says? If he isn't sure whether he's married or single, then are any of his opinions or views stated really what he believes or are they contrived to illict a particular response?Jeff.!$$ Ai Hader ,"@ )2bp )0%%,!--


Posted By: JerkyFlea
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:58pm
I've got to include the title in my response...>And do everyone beleive everything everyone says all the>time Jerkyflea?Nope, sure don't. However, if I'm making a point and giving examples, I make darn sure that what I'm saying is accurate. Otherwise, if folks find out I'm making stuff up, they won't know what to believe.> I will still say so what.This coming from the woman that accused me of not reading posts correctly and making false allegations against herself and others. Good to know on which side I fall of your double standard of credibility.> I guess some of us haven't> taken Karen or Jeff seriously about not torching> people. YOu should know better Jerkyflea.Unbelievable. I think it's pretty darn obvious what I wrote wasn't anywhere close to a flame, just a statement of why Mark's changing stories impact how seriously his input is taken.JerkyFleaRelated Link:JerkyFlea's Celebrity Hair Spray0 - Aa badu`d ,%.4b` 4,b !4% !,$ $-- %! ,` /


Posted By: Holly
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:59pm
> No but I enjoy this web site and as others I would> hate that it would get to the point that we wouldn't> respect their wishes and I took those wishes> seriously. Did you? ( Diane)Well, I don't think anyone here can accuse me of being a troublemaker, so the answer to that is yes. I was just saying, that it seems lately that every time someone says something that is a liitle stronger in opinion than normal, or thinks that somebody is being a troll, but really aren't making any comments that will make Jeff and Karen re-think continuing the board, you get worried about it, and ask them to stop. As was proved in your absence, "Mark/Roxanne" was a phony, so Jena was right in her comments. I do understand your inclination to take the what we might say "less-popular" person's side, but sometimes they are so obviously "trollish" it amazes some of us that others keep believeing the person's for real. This Mark/Roxanne was so blatently obvious-well, it's been proven so enough said.> Wow did it speak to you Hollly? lolYes, and it said this needs commenting on from somebody.>You couldn't resist. lol I don't have that problem. I only >read this because you asked me.Wow! YOU?? don't have that problem?? That's FUNNY!As to the "because you asked me" comment? I needn't and shouldn't have asked, because no one EVER needs to ask you read any comments to you-you scan thoroughly and find them well enough.> Have a nice hair day Hollly.Thank you, I will-and will continue to be amused by that funny remark-you can resist-that's a hot one!Holly


Posted By: Holly
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:59pm
> Jerkyflea it seems that are some people on this baord> that really want others respect each other and I am> one.Really Diane?> I don't care to see a gang up on anyone.Bull.> When is the last time you defended somone from being> ganged up?When you tried to get him to publically declare who it was that asked him if your story about being called up by a stalker was true, and he would not reveal it either publically or privately-and you went ballistic. My dear, we both know our history and for you to say that YOU were stalked seemed incredible to me. Especially the part about being called up???? That's right, it was me who wrote to Jerkyflea asking if it was true, as I had misread your message(as others commonly do with your writing-not to knock your use of English, but I'm just stating as fact that it can be misinterpreted or READ wrong at first reading)and thought it could be verified by Jerkyflea. So he was protecting me from an onslaught of verbal abuse from you and instead it was heaped upon him, as I'm sure you recall.So since you are intimating publically that Jerkyflea has no honor (and that you do), I am stating publically that he certainly has defended me in the past.Holly


Posted By: JerkyFlea
Date Posted: Jan 11, 2000 at 9:59pm
If Jeff doesn't pull this post, I'll be amazed...> If I am the only one that stands up with that belief> that Mark should be treated with kindness then let it> be that way. If I believe in him or not is not the> issue. I just don't want to see another gang up.Golly, so no one can call into question the credibility of another poster or oppose his or her opinion because that would be ganging up on them? I'll make a note in my Hair Politics Posting Rule Book. The things you learn...> The only reason I mentioned my stalker situation is to> help other women and I did because a few did respond> to me. I had nothing else to gain only remembring the> whole thing.Then why did you bring it up? You're the one who extrapolated the point of haircut videos encouraging men to stalk and harass long haired women. No where else in that discussion was anything along those lines even broached.> If you Holly would have approached me directly I would> have told you to help you if you need help. Do you> need help?Speaking of not reading posts. I'm not even going to attempt to explain this to you again since I've done it six or seven times and Holly just gave it her best shot. The only harassing stalker-like behavior she has had to deal with was yours. So, why would she ask you for help? (Sorry Holly)> Bacially between you and me I already knew it was you> that emailed Jerkyflea. It didn't much to figure that> one out.Ah, then that would explain the multiple emails I received personally and just as many posts to the board demanding to know wrote me and insulting my integrity for not revealing it to you. Nice sleuthing there, Nancy Drew.Tired of this whole thing and since ignoring you won't make you go away,JerkyFleaRelated Link:JerkyFlea's Celebrity Hair Spray0 - Aa badu`d ,%.4b` 4,b !4% !,$ $-- %! ,` /


Posted By: helen
Date Posted: Sep 20, 2003 at 9:40am
I would guess Nicky Clark likes shorter styles because you then need to buy more styling products, appliances etc. That has got to be good for his business and other hairdressers with their own range of styling products. He's just looking out for himself and trying to make sure he makes a profit. Its all down to money, just like everything else in this world.


Posted By: DaveDecker
Date Posted: Sep 24, 2003 at 6:13pm
Originally Posted By: carmichael #d`,,'$b !`` `a(
Could the following be said, then?

Short-short hair may not be freakish, but it is hopelessly out of style. Some men pursue those women who dare to to fashion brave the different, most do not. Short hair can be worn out of fear, laziness or commitment and self idealism, in the end it is still seen by the largest section of current fashion as out of style as a shaved female. Until that changes, stick to your convistions and live with all of your delusions. Fashions change and what's old is new again, it's all a matter of the times.


Seems this thread started nearly 4 years ago.... about a UK stylist named Nicky Clark who states that waist-length hair is freakish. I feel that attitudes such as his are freakish.


Posted By: enfys
Date Posted: Sep 29, 2003 at 4:01pm
I think HIS hair's freakish. All that volume? He looks totally overstyled and out of date. How can long hair be freakish when it grows long naturally? If it grows then it is meant to. Or, does he think that he has a better idea of how humans shuld be designed than God?!
I don't think the man really has a clue.
I trust Trevor Sorbie - he has a special range just for the needs of long hair. It's really good stuff. $- P cn`dp0% 00BB .(4`p /.%%%,-)! !!%,!,`" !,


Posted By: Gormlaith
Date Posted: Oct 23, 2003 at 10:28pm
Originally Posted By: DaveDecker<"p ,%$@ 4 D bhd

Wonderful turnabout of Carmichael's thinking Dave. The presumption that long haired people are deluded by thinking they are fashionable is an interesting conceit on his part. A long haired friend of mine told me just last week that he has no need to be in style, that is for less creative people. I can not recall the precise wording now but he was quite confident, happy, and not the least "hopelessly out of style" if the reactions of all his admirers were anything to go by.

Longhaired people can be intentionally ignorant of what passes as stylish, others know but do not choose it for themselves, and then there are people like the famous DD who set the style for others. There will always be more than one sought after style in the world at a time. Long hair, just as short-short and even no hair are, is popular and quite the trendy thing somewhere right now and most likely always will be.


Posted By: Gormlaith
Date Posted: Oct 23, 2003 at 10:43pm
Originally Posted By: Carmichael #d`, 4 ,`` `d$

Just how long is the hair we are talking about here Carmichael? When it takes some time to grow that hair it sounds like quite a lot of time for a woman to be unattached if between relationships especially when there can be a factor of cutting shorter when a relationship ends. If your theory is supportable at all, and this seems doubtful, it would be more likely an age issue than anything else. The trend is for women to go shorter as they age, just as it is more likely for a younger woman to be single than an older one.


Posted By: Kuroneko
Date Posted: Oct 23, 2003 at 11:08pm
I can honestly say I see maybe five or ten percent of women who can successfully pull off long hair, and that would be the women whose hair is naturally very thick and in such excellent health that it's even thick towards the ends (those scraggly, thin ends most women get are really disgusting!). And since long hair is so heavy, it just pulls itself out flat, where shorter hair looks fuller and bouncier, so honestly I'd say even the women whose hair can be long and still look healthy would look better with short hair. Not to mention it wouldn't hide her face so much, so you could actually see if her face were beautiful, rather than seeing nothing but a "Cousin Itt"-like mass of hair. Beautiful women should have no need to hide behind their hair like that. *laughs* What about if I say all the ugly women should have long hair, then, and short hair for all the women with beautiful faces we'd actually want to see?
(A ridiculous joke of an answer in response to a whole ridiculous joke of a thread, actually. . .) ! % Aaebade d !, ` . 4``


Posted By: enfys
Date Posted: Oct 24, 2003 at 4:27pm
Kuroneko, I noticed that you have a slight fringe in your photograph. Surely, when I pull my hair up into a high ponytail, and then twist it into a bun on top of my head, I have more face, ear and nape on show?

I don't agree with everything you say, but it is refreshing to see someone on this site who is capable of seeing when a thread has gone a little too far, and started to turn into a joke.

Might I also add that I have long-long hair by most standards (wrist length) which is full to the ends (plaits stay at a constant thickness, despite slight layers), glossy (at times you can see recognisable reflections down the length of it) and far from flat, lifeless or dull.

My hair is long because I want it to be, and will never be short because fashion dictates it should be. That is not to say that everyone with short hair is a fashion sheep, or that some people don't look nice with short hair, I'm just saying that it is possible to have luscious long locks that don't look icky. $- P cn`dp0% 00BB .(4`p /.%%%,-)! !!%,!,`" !,


Posted By: Jenna
Date Posted: Oct 25, 2003 at 2:55pm
Originally Posted By: Bill W !d ,(#$ ,$ @ `

I'd kindly like to disagree, because this statement is far too general. Most cultures prefer women with healthy curves in the right places. Hair preferences vary from culture to culture, as well as person to person.


Posted By: Gormlaith
Date Posted: Oct 25, 2003 at 10:30pm
Originally Posted By: Kuroneko ``. $B$0$da ` 0

Now is this an honest *truth* or honest *opinion*?

I am betting those women are not too concerned that they do not look attractive to you, not when thay have so many admirers out there, or perhaps a favored one in particular. Long haired women will never lack for suitors.

The most important thing about a person's hair is how it makes them feel. Others are free to disagree with how someone else "should" look yet it takes nothing away from the validity of the hair wearers opinion. The person that thinks they look good does look good whatever their hair looks like. Confidence will always be attractive.


Posted By: Gormlaith
Date Posted: Oct 25, 2003 at 10:51pm
Originally Posted By: Bill W." @ %$ $ A 2

There seem to be a lot of limiting shouldn't and shoulds floating about out there that people buy into. It is a shame to miss out on seeing the beauty already all around. Just as all women are not out to look good to the short hair admirers, know that meeting Bill W.'s standards of trimmed beauty are never given priority, or likely any thought at all, by a large segment of the population.

Be cautious, when a person seeks to improve others to their liking, they open themselves up to the same critical eye of their beholders. I suspect there is a great deal of alterations people would seek to make in order to "fix" any of us to their specific liking. Tact usually prevents these free comments quite handily.


Posted By: Gormlaith
Date Posted: Oct 27, 2003 at 9:59pm
Originally Posted By: Bill W#p`, !4@(  A `.

Interesting, so your non-standards for beauty are trimming, washing, and conditioner use. These are still optional things, some more so than others. Just how would these needs be determined anyway? Based on her desires for her hair or your own opinions on what hair "should" look like?

Additionally, I don't even know that I believe beauty is only skin deep. The hair that looks ragged to you can look stunning to another, no need to include internal factors to mitigate the hair's appearance. Uncut hair can be so very beautiful, trupming a fresh cut to my eyes. Neither of us is wrong, these are just opinions about what we like but to present them as what others should live by is conceit.


Posted By: DaveDecker
Date Posted: Nov 2, 2003 at 9:26pm
Originally Posted By: Kuroneko,"$ ( !0 0 da`d
So being a man, it's a darn good thing that I have scraggly thin ends.
Originally Posted By: Kuroneko"d "(& @ /da h
What about those of us who have straight hair? My hair is straight no matter what its length.

How would you know that long hair is heavy, Kuroneko? Have you ever had long hair?

My hair is not heavy, and it's yards long. I think the whole "heavy hair" criticism is a myth designed to encourage conversion to short hair.
Originally Posted By: Kuroneko4 d`$ # B00%` `` 2Not in my case, but maybe that's because I'm a man and not a woman...?
Originally Posted By: Kuroneko0# `.,%0@$0 @!`
A reflection of your preference for short hair.
Originally Posted By: Kuroneko #t $, $@$0)d` h
I was going to comment like enfys has but she beat me to the punch.

The woman who has long hair has versatility! She can wear her hair up, exposing her entire face, ears and neck... or, she can let her hair down (and hide the ears, and most of the neck... creating a sense of intrigue among men who love it long. Never underestimate the value and power of intrigue.



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