WHY ?

I have a question, Why do some ladies have no fear of loosing their long locks?I had a client and a friend come into the shop today. She is a standard bob style. Her friend wanted a short cliiper cut. she had some of the most thickest straightest hair I have ever seen. length was just about shoulder  length. Of course my question is why do you want it cut and are you sure? Her reason was " I am sick of it and just want it gone" . I just wonder as a barber / stylist why... I do cut a lot of teenage and mid- age ladies styles both short and long. One of the big fads coming back is the nape being cliipped short with longer hair over it so when the hair is pulled up in a pony tail the clipperd nape is exposed. Do you see this in other area's of the USA?  

I often see young women and middle aged women with short hair, even ultra-short hair.
It isn't a problem these days for a woman to wear very short hair. And some women look adorable in ultra-short hairstyles.
It has been that way for decades really, going back to the short permed  bob cuts of the 1920s, up to the modern pixies and other very short hairstyles of today in the 2000s.

I am in my 40s, and my entire life I have seen many women with short hair, including my ex-wife, and the woman I am dating these days.

So why would it surprise you that some women like to wear short hair? Just as some men like wearing long hair, or a beard, or earrings, or whatever.

Different people have different styles.

Some women like to wear pantsuits, others like to wear skirts or dresses.
Some women wear a nosestud in their pierced nostril, others don't wear nose jewelry. Some women have gotten tattoos, others don't have tattoos. It is just fashion. It is good that different people like different styles. It would be boring if everyone had the same hair length, or hairstyle.
SanFranBrent2006-07-06 23:06:17

[QUOTE=mikecuts]I have a question, Why do some ladies have no fear of loosing their long locks?[/quote]

I have to agree with Anne and Brent here...  There are an infinite number of reasons people have style preferences, perceptions, fears, desires, etc.  It's part of the human psyche.  Everyone is different.  No one will ever figure it out.  It just is... Rocky2006-07-07 11:41:16

I find it very disheartening the way ya'll have attacked Mike here.  First off, nobody answered his question; it was a simple question:

Just a thought here, but maybe there should be two forums to better serve the needs of people here.  One would be about short hair (how to style and take care of it and discuss different styles, similar to the long hair board) and another one could be about haircutting, which is what a lot of people like mikecuts and Brent and others seem to prefer to discuss.  That way, they could talk about cutting and buzzing women all they wanted because that would be the focus of the forum!

(a) Having a hair fetish does not necessarily mean you like de-feminizing women or you like forced haircuts.

Amen Skydancer

Anne, and Hawg,
I don't believe another board for short hairstyles is really necessary. Most people on this board write good and interesting things about short hairstyles.
Actually I am much more interested in short hairstyles on ladies than I am on cutting hair. I don't have a cutting hair fetish, and I am not interested in a board like that.

We are just discussing short hairstyles here on this board. Some people (usually not myself) sometimes mention hair cutting also.

I personally like many short hairstyles on women ranging from shaved heads, to buzzcuts, to short pixies, to chin length bob cuts, to shoulder length bob cuts. I like varying styles and lengths of short hairstyles on beautiful women.

I also agree with what Skydancer wrote.

My only criticism of what Claude wrote is that he shouldn't jump to conclusions about people he doesn't really know, or be condescending to others on the boards.
SanFranBrent2006-07-08 20:39:11

I just hate the way people are so quick to pounce on any short hair fans as freaks with weird fetishes, who need professional help, but not very often are such charges levelled against the long-hair fans of the boards -_- .  It's very much a double standard, I think.

I agree Kuroneko. There is a double standard concerning those who appreciate short hairstyles on women, and those who prefer long hairstyles on women. There are just as many long haired fetish websites as there is short haired fetish websites.

And short haired women are just as feminine and sexy as longhaired women, sometimes even more so.

This double standard comes out of a bigoted, very conservative, traditional oppressive orthodoxy that in some parts of the country people still have, that "long hair on women fetish" is not a fetish, but someone who appreciates short hairstyles on women has some sort of fetish that the long haired appreciator doesn't, etc...

Even though the majority of women over 25 years old wear short or fairly short hair, and there are many men who wear long hair, there are still some backwards people that associate long hair with females.
This is slowly fading though, as women (and men) become more liberated in their hairstyle choices.

The fashion industry and the big cities always lead the way on fashion.

In the fashion industry and in the major metropolitan areas, women these days wear their hair however they like, from ultra-short hairstyles to long hair to everything in between. There are women fashion models with shaved heads, short pixies, and short bob hairstyles. Women wear dresses and skirts like they always did (thankfully so, I love feminine dresses and skirts on women) but they also wear jeans and pantsuits.

The modern woman is pretty liberated and has a greater selection of hairstyle and clothing fashions than did women one hundred years ago. Thankfully. And modern women are often very sexy and very feminine, as feminine and beautiful as they ever were, if not more so.
SanFranBrent2006-07-09 06:44:58

how one word caused all this. I do appreciate the remarks. As for a barber/stylist its known as school, school school>>>>>>>>>. Let me just say this I have no fettish off cutting and or buzzing I just do my job and do it well. Do whats asked of you and bring a smile by making the inner self feel good. Is that what life is all about? We are here to learn not judge. I do feel Dave  & Karen are doing a great job. Lets keep thsi a short hair forum for athers to learn from give advice when asked and keep up the great work.Kuroneko. Thanks for your answer bery well put mikecuts2006-07-09 09:01:31

That was kind of beautiful. 

By the way, there's an elephant in the room...  again.

I can spot a couple of things that could be construed (or misconstrued) that way.
What might be a problem to some people might not be to others though. So who cares?

[QUOTE=Kuroneko]I just hate the way people are so quick to pounce on any short hair fans as freaks with weird fetishes, who need professional help, but not very often are such charges levelled against the long-hair fans of the boards -_- .  It's very much a double standard, I think.[/quote]

Anne,
This is the short hairstyle board. Just about everyone that writes on these boards, men and women alike, like many different short hairstyles on women; from shaved heads, to short crops, to short pixies, to chin length bobs, etc..

A short hairstyle on many women, not all women, IS the best hairstyle for many of them! Many times I have seen a woman with a plain, drab shoulder length or even longer hairstyle, go to a short bob hairstyle or short pixie hairstyle and look much better. More beautiful, fashionable, and feminine.

As far as buzzing or shaving their heads, the bald look is just one short style on a woman. There is various short hairstyles on women that can look good on ladies, from short bob styles, to short pixies, etc..
SanFranBrent2006-07-09 23:31:54

Brent... One of the very first topics it "This is Not An Fetish board".  Those who think very one needs a "very short Pixie", an "inverted bob, "buzzed nape" or "clipper cut" really flirt with the line of like and fetish.

Hal, those are hairstyles, amongst other hairstyles. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with a fetish.
And who is to say it is wrong to like those hairstyles?, (as obviously many of the men and women on these boards do).
For that matter, is it wrong to have fashion fetishes or preferences?,( as all people do).
We are getting into the philisophical with statements like that. Into subjective areas.

As I stated before in one of my posts, one person's definition of a fetish is another person's defintion of an acceptable hairstyle. What one person considers weird, another person considers pleasurable and a nice fashion style.
To me a weird fetish hairstyle is short, blue colored, spiky hair. That would be a weird, fetish hairstyle to me, I wouldn't want my lady or my daughter wearing it.
However an ultra-short pixie on a woman is perfectly acceptable to me, whether anyone believes it a fetish or not. But that is just my definition of what is and isn't acceptable. Others many disagree with me.

There is no way to objectively determine what hairstyle consitutes a "fetish hairstyle" and what hairstyle is "mainstream" enough not to be considered a "fetish" hairstyle. It is completely subjective.
Just as beauty is subjective and a personal preference.
Ted Danson once said that Whoppi Goldberg was a very beautiful woman. And I have read on the internet one person who said that Halle Berry wasn't that beautiful.
I would prefer to get it on with Halle Berry when she is wearing an ultra-short pixie, than get it on with Whoppi Goldberg with her long hair. Does that mean that I have a fetish for women in short pixie hairstyles?
So your definition of a fetish style might be different than mine is.

Realistically no one can deternine what is or isn't a "fetish". What is a "fetish" for one person might be acceptable for another.

The whole concept of "fetish" vs. "mainstream" is bogus anyway. How would you even define it? People would have different definitions on what consitutes a fetish and what constitutes mainstream.

And fashion is always changing. What was a fetish ten years ago might be mainstream today.
Years ago short spiky hair on women was considered a fetish. Now it isn't. Years ago tattoos, a pierced nostril, in some places even pierced ears, were considered forms of a fashion fetish on women. They aren't today. There are so many women these days who have tattoos, have pierced ears, or even a pierced nostril, that it has gone from being a so-called "fetish" fashions to so-called "mainstream", or at least fairly common fashion styles.

An ultra-short pixie like Halle Berry, Alyssa Milano, Charlize Theron, Natalie Portman, or Toni Braxton have worn, might be considered a "fetish hairstyle" by you, but it would be a completely acceptable hairstyle to others. It is certainly acceptable on women to me. I love those hairstyles on women, and have been with women who had hairstyles that short or even shorter than that, and I loved it on them.

It would be an amazingly boring and oppressive world if we were only allowed certain hairstyles. That is how the Communists and the Islamic Fascists do it. They only allow certain hairstyles or fashions that they consider acceptable.

But as I stated, it is subjective anyway. One person's fetish hairstyle is another person's acceptable hairstyle.
We don't need the "hairstyle police" telling us whether a hairstyle is a "fetish" or not, or how to percieve or wear hairstyles.
We are in America, a free country, not in an oppressive totalitarian state like Iran or North Korea. Each of us should be allowed to determine for ourselves how we want to wear our hair and what we consider acceptable hairstyles.

 
Now having said all of that, do I believe there is such a thing as fetishes, or fetish hairstyles? Yes I do believe that, but what is a fetish hairstyle for me, might not be for you, and visa versa. Every person doesn't agree on what exactly constitutes a fetish hairstyle or fetish fashions.
They should always agree with me on fashion, but sometimes they actually don't, which means they are probably wrong, doesn't it?

SanFranBrent2006-07-10 21:03:21

I will give you a few examples on what I consider acceptable hairstyles and fashions, and hairstyles or fashions that I consider weird "fetish" styles or unacceptable.

Acceptable hairstyles on women;
Any short hairstyle. Ranging from shaved heads, buzzcuts, short crops, short pixies, long pixies, short bob cuts, long bob cuts, short permed hair, short straight hair.
I believe women like Natalie Portman, Janice Robinson, and Bai Ling, looked beautiful in the bald look.
Halle Berry, Alyssa Milano, and Sharon Stone look adorable in short pixie hairstyles.
Short bob hairstyles are gorgeous on many women.
Also any medium length hairstyle on women.
Jennifer Lopez, Jennifer Aniston, and Cindy Crawford, look good in medium length hair.
Also any long hair length on women except really, really long, like past knee length.
Jessica Simpson looks good in long hair.

Weird fetish or unacceptable hairstyle on women;
Any unnatural color of hair, such as blue, pink, orange, green, etc..
Long hair on one side of the head and a shaved head on the other side of the head.
Hair length that is too long, like past knee length, dragging on the floor, etc...



Other fashions;

Acceptable to me;
Pierced ears, and pierced nostrils on women.
Pierced ears on men (but not pierced nostrils).
Tattoos on men or women (except facial tattoos).
Skirts or dresses on women.
Jeans or pantsuits on women.
High heels or low heels on women.
Pantyhose on women.
Makeup on women.
Lipstick on women.

Unacceptable to me;
Pierced lips or pierced genitalia on men or women.
Pierced nostrils on men.
Skirts on men, (except sarongs or kilts).
High heels on men.
Pantyhose on men.
Makeup on men.
Lipstick on men.



I am sure most people agree with me on all of this.
My definitions of what is acceptable or what isn't acceptable should be what people should follow.


SanFranBrent2006-07-10 21:10:25

The thing I have seen that bothered me is what I've seen happen when someone asks for advice. Everyone chimes in with their opinions. Then the person makes a choice and comes back with a picture. And then someone has to chime in and say cut it shorter or next time get ______. It's as if they could care less whether the person likes the style or not. They just want it done their way.

And yes there are extremes like that on long hair sites. I've seen posts where someone with knee length hair will talk about cutting their hair back to waist length and some posters will chime in like they are committing a sin.

This isn't necessarily about telling someone to cut or grow. It's about not telling people to get a certain style just because you like the style. It's about giving them multiple options and letting them choose and then either being happy for them if they are happy or helping them again if they are not.

PurpleBubba2006-07-11 09:10:13

Points well taken by both of you folks.

Myself, I don't have a hair cutting fetish.

And I could care less about tattoos on women one way or the other. I just mentioned tattoos as an example of something that wasn't often acceptable on women years ago, but now it is more acceptable.

I just like short hairstyles on women. There are many types of short hairstyles I like on beautiful women.

It seems to me that some of the people that post here on this board might have a hair cutting fetish, but that doesn't bother me. You expect that on a short hair board, just as many people have a long hair fetish on long hair boards.
As long as they are not obnoxious or rude to people about it, who cares?
It seems to me that most of the people who post on these boards are fairly respectful to others and generally helpful and complimentary.

Some people are better than others at giving hairstyle advice.
Not everyone says on this board, all of the time, to do things like buzz the nape, or get a short angled bob cut, or shave your head, or get it cut even shorter than you have it if it is already very short hair.
There are a variety of responses, (although generally people here on this board do encourage women to try short hairstyles, which is to be expected, since both the men and the women here on these boards are mostly short hair lovers on women).
If anyone believes this board is like a fetish board, then you have never been on a fetish board. I assure you, it is very different than this type of board.

I do sometimes encourage a woman to cut her hair short if she asks about that.
I usually compliment a woman if she posts a photo of herself in  her new short hairstyle if I like the hairstyle.
I usually leave it at that, unless she asks if she could go shorter with her hairstyle, and then, if I believe she could, which I often do, I tell her that.
SanFranBrent2006-07-11 01:57:09

BRENT - Thank you so much for making my case for me.....lol

What case Hal? You never had a case!

At any rate, I am glad you appreciate my wisdom.

Now if I could only get everyone to agree with me, how much better the world would be, I am sure of that!