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Forum Description: How To Create 360 Waves
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Printed Date: Sep 19, 2024 at 8:33pm

Topic: Faqs - New Visitors Start Here

Posted By: Karen Shelton
Subject: Faqs - New Visitors Start Here
Date Posted: Mar 20, 2005 at 2:18pm

This FAQ Will Remain At The Top So That General Information Can Be Included Here & Not Repeated Constantly.

If you have tips you would like to add please reply at the end and I will incorporate information to this main FAQ Thread.

Methods For Creating 360 Waves

Once you have the waves - NEVER break them. No matter what. Work with the waves and never against.

Waves are created from working with the natural curls or coils in your strands. When hair is stick straight because it is cut too close to the head or if hair is generally straight, you will not have an easy time creating waves.

Bottom line - waves are straightened out curls.

Therefore, the curlier your hair is, the more potential waves you can cultivate. To create deep waves, you will need to allow your hair to have some growth.

One size does not fit all when it comes to curls and waves. Not everyone will have the save waves, even if their hair is the same length. This is because everyone will have different textures in their hair.

Another important fact to remember:

Some folks have mixed texture hair. This means that they will have different texture throughout their entire head area (for example, hair may be curlier or nappier around the perimeter than at the top near the crown). Even if you think your hair texture is the same all over, it probably isn't.

Hair care styling products do not on their own develop 360 waves. They help HOLD what you have already developed.Pomades and similar products can help but they are not the end all and the be all. The advantages of using pomade is that it can help to give better definition to the 360 waves that you are working to develop.

How To Shampoo To 360 Waves

1. If hair is normal or not super dry, wash daily with shampoo that will not make hair too soft. Use warm but NOT hot water for the shampoo. Hot water dries out hair making it harder to wave.
2. Rinse out shampoo completely.
3. Use brush to brush in wave pattern.
4. Add rinse-out conditioner letting it remain in hair at least 5 minutes. It can be left in hair longer if desired.
5. Rinse conditioner out with warm...not hot water. Do not wash all the conditioner completely out. A little helps to keep dry hair moist which makes it better for creating waves.
6. At the very end do a quick 25 second dose with cool/cold water. Use a clean plastic bottle prefilled with cool water and dose it over head.
7. Finish with warm water.
8. Let hair air dry until about 90% dry. Add pink lotion, jojoba, baby or similar oil as desired being careful to keep off skin since this can cause skin breakouts.
9. Add some wave wax to hair.
10. Use good hard brush and brush thoroughly to get waves to form.Remember to keep brushing hair during the day.
11. Get a hot towel and then press it down on your hair in your natural wave direction.
12. Keep hair moist throughout the day by adding in a little oil as needed OR using a spritzer bottle filled with a little conditioner mixed with warm water and shaken well.
13. Wear a doorag or similar cap for sleeping at night.

Steps For Using Pomade/Similar Styling Products To Create 360 Waves

Use pomade before you brush & put on a doorag
Brush hair at most 1/1

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That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger or drives you totally insane. :-)

Replies: 99

Posted By: Karen Shelton
Date Posted: Mar 20, 2005 at 2:18pm

This FAQ Will Remain At The Top So That General Information Can Be Included Here & Not Repeated Constantly.

If you have tips you would like to add please reply at the end and I will incorporate information to this main FAQ Thread.

Methods For Creating 360 Waves

Once you have the waves - NEVER break them. No matter what. Work with the waves and never against.

Bottom line - waves are straightened out curls.

How To Shampoo To 360 Waves

Use pomade before you brush & put on a doorag
Brush hair at most 1/1 !$ Shab` dbe ,%4 b` , 8bp - )%! )-% !$ -,$`r /2

Posted By: BIGGMike
Date Posted: Jun 7, 2005 at 5:15pm

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Date Posted: Jun 17, 2005 at 12:09am

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Posted By: BIGGMike
Date Posted: Jun 17, 2005 at 4:41pm

I suggest all new vistitors read this and follow the advice. This is the owner and founder of Hairboutique.com. She talks to celeberties stylist everyday. She is in constant contact with hair care product designers, owners, and many many hair consultants.

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Posted By: THECHOSEN1
Date Posted: Jul 26, 2005 at 9:59pm

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Posted By: Mejesticuddie
Date Posted: Jul 27, 2005 at 2:06am

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Posted By: baller05
Date Posted: Jul 27, 2005 at 7:04am

Posted By: The Man
Date Posted: Jul 27, 2005 at 9:27am

sho right

Posted By: The Man
Date Posted: Jul 27, 2005 at 9:27am

now they dont have to post a thread asking how to get waves

Posted By: BIGGMike
Date Posted: Jul 27, 2005 at 9:49am

You found it? Good thinking, we do have a large amount of traffic on this site now. Thanks

I think this would help with some questions. Good looking "The Man".

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Posted By: Blazer15
Date Posted: Jul 27, 2005 at 3:29pm

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Date Posted: Jul 27, 2005 at 7:05pm

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Date Posted: Jul 31, 2005 at 9:06pm

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Date Posted: Aug 4, 2005 at 7:31pm

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Date Posted: Aug 6, 2005 at 11:30am

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Date Posted: Aug 7, 2005 at 4:08pm

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Date Posted: Aug 10, 2005 at 5:28pm

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Date Posted: Sep 13, 2005 at 10:35am

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Date Posted: Nov 13, 2005 at 7:55pm

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Date Posted: Nov 15, 2005 at 4:18pm

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Posted By: chillin22
Date Posted: Nov 16, 2005 at 2:02pm

wassup yall, this ya boy chillin 22. i have'nt posted in like a year in ahaf. i was on 360 waves part 1 with the original guys like cardinal, twista and meace2society. i see biggmike is the new leader around hear with a lot of new wavers to the seen. i ain't new to da wave game, been in n out for a couple of years but yall's methods are solid. i also appreciate biggmike being a good mentor these kats on how we can be the best role model for our race. ya'll keep doin ya thang. happy wavin.

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Posted By: BIGGMike
Date Posted: Nov 17, 2005 at 3:43pm

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Posted By: Ice-Man
Date Posted: Nov 28, 2005 at 8:20am

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Date Posted: Dec 1, 2005 at 4:55pm

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Date Posted: Dec 8, 2005 at 2:42pm

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Date Posted: Dec 10, 2005 at 4:23pm

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Date Posted: Jan 4, 2006 at 9:48pm

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Date Posted: Jan 14, 2006 at 1:51pm

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Date Posted: Jan 15, 2006 at 11:12pm

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Date Posted: Jan 16, 2006 at 2:40am

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Date Posted: Jan 16, 2006 at 11:59am

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Date Posted: Jan 18, 2006 at 5:35pm

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Date Posted: Feb 2, 2006 at 10:38pm

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Posted By: detroitballa313
Date Posted: Feb 27, 2006 at 3:03am

I kno this might sound stupid, but ima beginninger...When brushing in a circular pattern, do you mean the brush is going around my head or im moving the brush ina circular pattern while brushing? ! A` la qpe $ &,b &000 " -,%%!$!) % , 2 ,2

Posted By: NDATRAP
Date Posted: Feb 27, 2006 at 6:28am

welcome to the site detroit. nah homie it doesnt mean that the brush is going around ur head. just look in the brushing instructions thread n it has a chart that shows u how to brush properly. hope i helpd u out

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Posted By: detroitballa313
Date Posted: Feb 27, 2006 at 2:26pm

thanks..can you give me a link to the site? ! A` la qpe $ &,b &000 " -,%%!$!) % , 2 ,2

Posted By: swrigh94
Date Posted: Mar 1, 2006 at 12:10pm

Wassup..new to the site but was glad that I found it. I am a newbie on the 360 scene. Been tryN to curve the 360's for years but have just recently got some pointers to 'cut' them like a pro. My question is... does texture of hair or whether the grain growth direction matters to how quickly or delayed the waves will come? Thanks for the help

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Posted By: chillin22
Date Posted: Mar 1, 2006 at 4:49pm

welcome to da site fam... texture does play a factor in gettin waves da softer and less nappy ur hair is da quicker it will be to get waves da thicker ur hair is da longer it will take. brush wit da grain to obtain wave pattern and brush daily on a consistent basis to notice results. when u get a cut, cut wit da grain and when washing hair brush hair in da shower in wit da grain. also waves take time so be prepared to work hard to get da results u want

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Posted By: thenumber1lon
Date Posted: Mar 9, 2006 at 12:50pm

this tips seem very helpful, i am going to try them out and get back with you in about a month and let in on the improvement.

Posted By: thenumber1lon
Date Posted: Mar 9, 2006 at 12:57pm

thanks for the tips, i'll keep brushing and see what happens.

Posted By: JCREAZ1986
Date Posted: Mar 23, 2006 at 11:12am

now i have straight hair what kind of brush should i use.@G ATABE

Posted By: ButchBoi05
Date Posted: Mar 24, 2006 at 2:23pm

a medium and a soft.

Posted By: JCREAZ1986
Date Posted: Mar 25, 2006 at 12:19pm

IS IT RIGHT TO USE MY POMADE EVERYNITE?@G ATABE

Posted By: ButchBoi05
Date Posted: Mar 25, 2006 at 2:11pm

I dont feel you need to use pomade every night , but it depends on if ya hair is long and what pomade are yor using?

Posted By: JCREAZ1986
Date Posted: Mar 25, 2006 at 2:49pm

MY HAIR IS LIKE URS AND I USE 360, BUT MY WAVES NOT SHOWING ON THE SIDES SO I USE IT EVERYNITE.@G ATABE

Posted By: ButchBoi05
Date Posted: Mar 25, 2006 at 3:37pm

You hair is pretty long then cuz Im @ 5 weeks with no cut...360 is ok to use but every day Is not necessary cuz usin it everday will not get those side waves to come in brushin will. I recommend using a Thick pomade @ the beginning of the week then every few days if you need it add somethin light such as 360.

Posted By: rocawaves23
Date Posted: Mar 25, 2006 at 9:22pm

If you usin 360 everynite you gotta wash your hair, so you don't jus build 360 up in your hair. But when you get waves, i'd say switch it up to lets jam orange top.

Posted By: wavemasterx
Date Posted: Mar 27, 2006 at 3:29pm

Confused Yo instructions are coo Some what like mine Wink but a lot different.

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Posted By: JCREAZ1986
Date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 at 2:44pm

YO I AM SO PISSED OFF WIT MY SIDES. IS IT BCUZ IM BRUSHING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION OR WHAT, CUZ IM BRUSHIN MY SIDES STRAIGHT FORWARD FOR ABOUT 4 WEEKS NOW AND MY TOP N BACK R COOL BUT ITS DA THE SIDES THATS FN EVTHING UP.

@G ATABE

Posted By: ButchBoi05
Date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 at 7:46pm

Sides just take time...you're probably not doing anything wrong.

Posted By: swrigh94
Date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 at 7:15am

Hey guys,

Thanks for all the info. My cuts are coming in but I am still having problems with my top. I am brushing my hair as per the instructions but the top front aint doin sh*t. It seems that when I brush my hair to the side I get the waves but not the 360 that I want. Should I continue to brush forward? By the way it has been 6 weeks.

Thanks for the help, fam!!

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Posted By: chillin22
Date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 at 11:21am

it's only been 6 weeks. ur still new in da game... i don't think ur doing anything wrong. spend an additional 10-15 mins on the top. they'll come in wit time. 4 % A`e a`e` ! b` % ,b $ $%%)%!, -%$(-$b !.

Posted By: swrigh94
Date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 at 12:22pm

Thanks Chillin 22 for the word. How often should I be using the pomade and what type would you recommend? % P `dapd` , 4(` !,$ ` ..% $(!$ )-% %(b` $.

Posted By: chillin22
Date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 at 2:19pm

there really isn't a best pomade they all work....it's all personal preference. i personally like sportin waves gold. if u go out regularly than maybe 1-2 times a day. i would only add pomade when goin out...make sure u rinse or wash it out daily cause dat stuff is thick...u only need a dime size.4 % A`e a`e` ! b` % ,b $ $%%)%!, -%$(-$b !.

Posted By: buttaknife412
Date Posted: Apr 27, 2006 at 7:07pm

Ay im kinda new to this thang its been bout two months but since my barber messed up the cut i had to start ova. But my question is fo the sides do u brush straight down or to a angle cuz most peeps say to an angle but this says straight down!,, Ad A` Be 44`` .($`

Posted By: chillin22
Date Posted: Apr 27, 2006 at 9:58pm

u want to brush it an angle...

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Posted By: buttaknife412
Date Posted: Apr 28, 2006 at 7:51pm

Aight thats straight good looks too!,, Ad A` Be 44`` .($`

Posted By: JCREAZ1986
Date Posted: May 2, 2006 at 12:18pm

WHAT ARE SOME OF YALL ROUTINES IN THE MORNING?

@G ATABE

Posted By: swrigh94
Date Posted: May 2, 2006 at 12:37pm

after removing the cap, I be brushing for about 15/20 min. If I be goin out, then I will be some pomade on it to make it look sharp. If I aint goin nowhere, after brushing I put the cap back on.

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Posted By: JCREAZ1986
Date Posted: May 8, 2006 at 1:43pm

OH OK SWRIGH94 BUT WHAT IF IT'S HOT OUTSIDE WOULDN'T THE POMADE MELT@G ATABE

Posted By: NDGthaDon
Date Posted: May 15, 2006 at 10:04pm

i havent experienced a pomade to melt.

Posted By: chillin22
Date Posted: May 16, 2006 at 9:31pm

the pomade probably would melt if its really hot outside. keep it inside where its room temperature.4 % A`e a`e` ! b` % ,b $ $%%)%!, -%$(-$b !.

Posted By: Chi-Town_Boy
Date Posted: May 22, 2006 at 8:37pm

damn if its that hot...yo waves be all white when u come outside

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Posted By: thenumber1lon
Date Posted: May 23, 2006 at 6:54pm

probably will. yeah i wake up and i take my durag off, spray some olive oil sheen on my head brush it for about 20 minutes and i will go to school. i put my pomades (nunile) after i an threw washing my hair i put it on after it dries, but in the morning i dont put any pomade on.

Posted By: wildman2007
Date Posted: May 25, 2006 at 4:09pm

sometimes i put wave gel activator on ,!$% Aa fap re )!2

Posted By: CRidge
Date Posted: May 26, 2006 at 9:03am

usually jus take wave cap off and brush or sometimes add pro line comb thru wave keeper

Posted By: thenumber1lon
Date Posted: May 26, 2006 at 7:13pm

yeah it depends on what you like and what works for you.

Posted By: NDGthaDon
Date Posted: May 27, 2006 at 11:21pm

yeah sometimes u dont really have to put pomade in just moisterize.

Posted By: SupaFresh208
Date Posted: May 31, 2006 at 8:21am

in the morning I take off my durag and soft brush for a little less than a minute. im not a morning person so I dont have time in the morning. BADDAP BE@B BP BR

Posted By: NDGthaDon
Date Posted: Jun 1, 2006 at 3:05pm

thats tha only time when i brush in tha mornin cuz in tha afternoon im chillin wit my homies or im workin.

Posted By: SupaFresh208
Date Posted: Jun 1, 2006 at 3:22pm

I do brush for a good 8-10minutes at night while in the shower.

BADDAP BE@B BP BR

Posted By: NDGthaDon
Date Posted: Jun 1, 2006 at 4:36pm

i hear u cuz.

Posted By: HeadnRotation
Date Posted: Jun 8, 2006 at 3:26pm

damn 8-10 minutes...i only brush wheneva there iz shampoo in my hair or conditioner and dats not even 4 dat long. plus on those days i aint washing my hair. i jus brush for two minutes

Posted By: blackmagic
Date Posted: Jun 8, 2006 at 7:18pm

i only brush for about 5 minutes in the shower maybe a bit mor when im washing it! P`ana T`e % < b .<(`b #2!- ($$ (--)-%,`` $.

Posted By: NDGthaDon
Date Posted: Jun 9, 2006 at 10:58pm

i brush 4 like 20 mins in tha bathroom.

Posted By: SupaFresh208
Date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 at 8:02am

I cant brush 4 that long BADDAP BE@B BP BR

Posted By: Chi-Town_Boy
Date Posted: Jun 19, 2006 at 12:12pm

me either thats why i count brush!)) C A @`e A -%" bb $4 P #2 --),% --,

Posted By: NDGthaDon
Date Posted: Jun 20, 2006 at 8:24am

i used to count brush i stopped cuz i was thinkin about sex im sorry.

Posted By: ceehavoc
Date Posted: Jun 20, 2006 at 8:44am

whats up. im new to the waves thing and i think i need some help. since i was about 9 i had braids and i just cut them off and now im tryna get waves. i brought the sportin wave promade gold and i wanna tell u wat i do daily and if im missing some steps please let me know what and when i should do it. I NEED DETAILS. thanks. 1. b4 i got to bed after my shower and washimg my hair, i put the promade in and brush my hair. 2. i put a hot rag in the microwave and place it on top of my head so the promade can melt. 3. i brush my hair for about 2 mins. and put my du rag on. then i got to bed. wheni wake up all i do is put the hot rag on my head again and brush for abut 2 mins. put the durag on and go to school. is this ok to do if not pleeease help me and remeber i need to know what and when. AND IM SORRY THAT MY POST IS LONG BUT I THINK I NEED SERIOUS HELP( ) a``` ap !

Posted By: Chi-Town_Boy
Date Posted: Jun 20, 2006 at 3:05pm

lol@ndgthadon!)) C A @`e A -%" bb $4 P #2 --),% --,

Posted By: young_africa
Date Posted: Jun 21, 2006 at 12:18am

i only brush for like 20 min everyday or so

Posted By: SupaFresh208
Date Posted: Jun 21, 2006 at 10:56am

cosign BADDAP BE@B BP BR

Posted By: legion2004
Date Posted: Jun 21, 2006 at 10:33pm

I am starting this week, and I wanted to know how long does it take to see results? I haved soft hair and it is flat at the top. I am using sportin waves but I am not sure if it is needed. After reading old posts, it seems that water is the best starter. Is this true or false?

Posted By: Chi-Town_Boy
Date Posted: Jun 22, 2006 at 12:47am

keep hair moist in brush all the time u be decent!)) C A @`e A -%" bb $4 P #2 --),% --,

Posted By: SupaFresh208
Date Posted: Jun 22, 2006 at 1:12pm

cosign BADDAP BE@B BP BR

Posted By: Chi-Town_Boy
Date Posted: Jun 22, 2006 at 5:54pm

yep thats a lesson i learned!)) C A @`e A -%" bb $4 P #2 --),% --,

Posted By: biggdogg
Date Posted: Sep 4, 2006 at 12:22am

Posted By: biggdogg
Date Posted: Sep 4, 2006 at 12:23am

Posted By: biggdogg
Date Posted: Sep 4, 2006 at 12:24am

very ggoood karen

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