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happydesta View Drop Down
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 Please explain what a silk base on the crown means. I though that the only real options were french, silk, and thin skin. Any input on this matter would be appreciated.  Thanks ladies. 

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this must be a new option.  A couple months ago i was shopping for a closure for my aunt, I was looking at the silk closure because it looked so realistic.  I know Bless- fixinheads.com has a yaky unit- Lindsay on her site that has silk base.  I think this was holly Zhang but here is what she told me about them- It seems like a very good idea for a more natrual look

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Hello,
 
Please check my reply:
 
  1. what is a silk based closure  ==silk is a different material than swiss lace.
  2. how is it different from the swiss lace.   =======it can be used to make hidden knots products..
  3. do you have a picture of the silk based closure  ==========enclosed please find some.
 
 
Best wishes!
 
 
 
 
 
madisonb2008-03-31 12:31:12

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happydesta View Drop Down
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Thanks  madisonb.Smile

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That does look nice the only thing I fear is that it will not match everyones skin tone. I think that would look good on lighter skinned people than the darked skinned also you will see a difference where the silk base meets the lace part so you may have to find a way to camouflage. Overall it does look very nice. 

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[QUOTE=Breh]That does look nice the only thing I fear is that it will not match everyones skin tone. I think that would look good on lighter skinned people than the darked skinned also you will see a difference where the silk base meets the lace part so you may have to find a way to camouflage. Overall it does look very nice.  [/QUOTE]It is easy enough to dye this base to match your skin tone using a little tea, coffee, semi perm hair color, or even fabric dye... Most vendors DO NOT make these bases in darker skin tones because of this.. It is EASY to make the silk base darker.. It is difficult (almost impossible) to lift the color from one of these bases once it's been dyed. Mostly because it would be impossible to lift the color from the base without affecting the hair.
Divavocals2008-03-31 13:44:42

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[QUOTE=Divavocals] [QUOTE=Breh]That does look nice the only thing I fear is that it will not match everyones skin tone. I think that would look good on lighter skinned people than the darked skinned also you will see a difference where the silk base meets the lace part so you may have to find a way to camouflage. Overall it does look very nice.  [/QUOTE]It is easy enough to dye this base to match your skin tone using a little tea, coffee, semi perm hair color, or even fabric dye... Most vendors DO NOT make these bases in darker skin tones because of this.. It is EASY to make the silk base darker.. It is difficult (almost impossible) to lift the color from one of these bases once it's been dyed. Mostly because it would be impossible to lift the color from the base without affecting the hair.
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Wow,thanks that is good to know.

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Hmm. I may have to try this cap!

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[QUOTE=madisonb]this must be a new option. [/QUOTE]Actually this option has always been around, but it's not often seen/asked for.. The wigs I see at Extensions Plus are constructed this way..

[QUOTE=Breh] Wow,thanks that is good to know. [/QUOTE]
Glad I could help..Tongue I know a vendor who ordered closures using this base and they ordered them MUCH too dark because they had the same concern as you.. I think it took them a while to get rid of these dark closures.. The lighter color is easy enough to darken, so it makes more sense for a vendor to stock the lighter tan base..

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wow

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triple reverse knots are invisible knots, and some mono caps are also in silk as well.. i dont know how undetectable they can be as opposed to the super fine swiss tho...here's some triple reversed knots and they are invisible for real..
 
 

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[QUOTE=sexibeach]triple reverse knots are invisible knots, and some mono caps are also in silk as well.. i dont know how undetectable they can be as opposed to the super fine swiss tho...here's some triple reversed knots and they are invisible for real..
 
 
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Who does triple reverse knots other than lphair.com?

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[QUOTE=sexibeach]triple reverse knots are invisible knots, and some mono caps are also in silk as well.. i dont know how undetectable they can be as opposed to the super fine swiss tho...here's some triple reversed knots and they are invisible for real..
 
 
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Those are nice...Wink

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[QUOTE=madisonb]

this must be a new option.  A couple months ago i was shopping for a closure for my aunt, I was looking at the silk closure because it looked so realistic.  I know Bless- fixinheads.com has a yaky unit- Lindsay on her site that has silk base.  I think this was holly Zhang but here is what she told me about them- It seems like a very good idea for a more natrual look

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Hello,
 
Please check my reply:
 
  1. what is a silk based closure  ==silk is a different material than swiss lace.
  2. how is it different from the swiss lace.   =======it can be used to make hidden knots products..
  3. do you have a picture of the silk based closure  ==========enclosed please find some.
 
 
Best wishes!
 
 
 
 
 
[/QUOTE]
 
Holly sent these pics?  That's funny I got some different ones and they didn't look like this...these look like Halley's but then to what do I know??Confused

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i really think this technology belongs to american wig makers in hollywood, b/c there are some that say they do this as chinese vendor's but i seriously don't believe they do.. i believe they started this technique in hollywood for the realistic look in the major flim industry, so you'd be hard pressed to find a vendor that does for the amount of money we spend with them in china.. but i'm sure once it becomes more mainstream they will be offering this.. b/c i've discussed it with some of them and they aren't aware of the technique, i believe some chinese vendor's will tell you yea they do this b/c they want the business not b/c they actually do this.. Hair Illusions does this technique and you know they charge enough that you could buy a car for their prices.. but some chinese vendors do offer silk base caps for the construction of the wigs but they tell me its harder for them to venilate with the silk base b/c the holes are much smaller than the swiss lace.. sexibeach2008-03-31 18:39:04

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[QUOTE=sexibeach]triple reverse knots are invisible knots, and some mono caps are also in silk as well.. i dont know how undetectable they can be as opposed to the super fine swiss tho...here's some triple reversed knots and they are invisible for real..
 
 
[/QUOTE]Mono is a different than these silk bases though.. Mono & silk mesh is still slightly transparent..

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yes i know, my vendor tells me the silk caps are much harder to venilate b/c the holes are much smaller than the swiss lace, but it does hide the knots a little better b/c of that, but it doesn't compare to the triple reverse knots.. i bet the silk holds a little more heat too, than the lace.. just thinking of the pro's and con's.. altho the mono offers a silk mesh as well that is pretty transparent, the one mono top i had left little need for a wig cap so that was a plus for me.. even tho that website shows it as a UK vendor, its not posted as a mono silk top.. i just posted that to show the triple reverse knots technique.. Diva i bet your favorite vendor EP offers the triple reverse knots in their lf's.. with the TRK there's no need to bleach b/c the knots are completely invisible.. sexibeach2008-03-31 18:50:47

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Looks really nice....

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what they do to make the TRK means the knots are hidden under the inside mesh( It has two pieces of mesh), and completely invisible, giving the impression the hair is growing out of the scalp.

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i know about this.. it's awesome!!

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[QUOTE=sexibeach]i really think this technology belongs to american wig makers in hollywood, b/c there are some that say they do this as chinese vendor's but i seriously don't believe they do.. i believe they started this technique in hollywood for the realistic look in the major flim industry, so you'd be hard pressed to find a vendor that does for the amount of money we spend with them in china.. but i'm sure once it becomes more mainstream they will be offering this.. b/c i've discussed it with some of them and they aren't aware of the technique, i believe some chinese vendor's will tell you yea they do this b/c they want the business not b/c they actually do this.. Hair Illusions does this technique and you know they charge enough that you could buy a car for their prices.. but some chinese vendors do offer silk base caps for the construction of the wigs but they tell me its harder for them to venilate with the silk base b/c the holes are much smaller than the swiss lace.. [/QUOTE]Actually there are Chinese wig makers that also do wigs/closures on these silk bases. I have two clients who sell these types of closures (and wigs) and they are made in China.. Extensions Plus also has a Chinese factory who makes the stock closures and wigs for them using the silk base. (custom product is made here in Reseda, CA)

Your sources are right.. It is difficult to ventilate by hand hair into a silk base. However, these types of closures and wigs are not ventilated by the vendors I know of who are making them. The hair is machine injected into the silk base..

[QUOTE=sexibeach]i bet the silk holds a little more heat too, than the lace.. just thinking of the pro's and con's.. altho the mono offers a silk mesh as well that is pretty transparent, the one mono top i had left little need for a wig cap so that was a plus for me.. even tho that website shows it as a UK vendor, its not posted as a mono silk top.. i just posted that to show the triple reverse knots technique.. Diva i bet your favorite vendor EP offers the triple reverse knots in their lf's.. with the TRK there's no need to bleach b/c the knots are completely invisible.. [/QUOTE]I can speak for the closures since I've worn them and relay to you a first hand wearers comment about the silk base wigs and heat.. They are no hotter than Swiss Lace. Remember silk is a VERY light and breathable natural fabric.. One of the girls who works there wears their wigs with the silk tops. She wears her wigs sewn-in, and she says that they are very light and not at all hot to wear.. Keep in mind this is the San Fernando valley, and in the summer time, it's get hot as HADES up in here!

I'm pretty sure that Extensions Plus does use the triple reverse technique in their wigs.. The knots looked invisible on the few full lace front wigs I've seen during my visits to Extensions Plus.. (They wouldn't really let me touch 'em since they were custom orders belonging to someone else)
Divavocals2008-03-31 21:36:01

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Thanks ladies for these info. I truly appreciate it .

happydesta2008-03-31 22:38:42

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wow this type of base/knotting looks great.  but is the base much thicker than lace since there are two layers and can you expose the hairline?

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[QUOTE=Divavocals] [QUOTE=sexibeach]i really think this technology belongs to american wig makers in hollywood, b/c there are some that say they do this as chinese vendor's but i seriously don't believe they do.. i believe they started this technique in hollywood for the realistic look in the major flim industry, so you'd be hard pressed to find a vendor that does for the amount of money we spend with them in china.. but i'm sure once it becomes more mainstream they will be offering this.. b/c i've discussed it with some of them and they aren't aware of the technique, i believe some chinese vendor's will tell you yea they do this b/c they want the business not b/c they actually do this.. Hair Illusions does this technique and you know they charge enough that you could buy a car for their prices.. but some chinese vendors do offer silk base caps for the construction of the wigs but they tell me its harder for them to venilate with the silk base b/c the holes are much smaller than the swiss lace.. [/QUOTE]Actually there are Chinese wig makers that also do wigs/closures on these silk bases. I have two clients who sell these types of closures (and wigs) and they are made in China.. Extensions Plus also has a Chinese factory who makes the stock closures and wigs for them using the silk base. (custom product is made here in Reseda, CA)

Your sources are right.. It is difficult to ventilate by hand hair into a silk base. However, these types of closures and wigs are not ventilated by the vendors I know of who are making them. The hair is machine injected into the silk base..

[QUOTE=sexibeach]i bet the silk holds a little more heat too, than the lace.. just thinking of the pro's and con's.. altho the mono offers a silk mesh as well that is pretty transparent, the one mono top i had left little need for a wig cap so that was a plus for me.. even tho that website shows it as a UK vendor, its not posted as a mono silk top.. i just posted that to show the triple reverse knots technique.. Diva i bet your favorite vendor EP offers the triple reverse knots in their lf's.. with the TRK there's no need to bleach b/c the knots are completely invisible.. [/QUOTE]I can speak for the closures since I've worn them and relay to you a first hand wearers comment about the silk base wigs and heat.. They are no hotter than Swiss Lace. Remember silk is a VERY light and breathable natural fabric.. One of the girls who works there wears their wigs with the silk tops. She wears her wigs sewn-in, and she says that they are very light and not at all hot to wear.. Keep in mind this is the San Fernando valley, and in the summer time, it's get hot as HADES up in here!

I'm pretty sure that Extensions Plus does use the triple reverse technique in their wigs.. The knots looked invisible on the few full lace front wigs I've seen during my visits to Extensions Plus.. (They wouldn't really let me touch 'em since they were custom orders belonging to someone else)
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YES Diva i was referring to the TRK's that most chinese's vendor DO not do the TRK's.. not the silk base b/c they pretty much all do have that to offer.. i should have made a difference between the two..

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The info available here is amazing!  I am wondering if the silk base is easily stained?  For instance from sweat, or if the hair is dyed, when you was the unit, will the dye stain the lace?  other than personal preference, would TRK's be a better choice for longevity?

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[QUOTE=DonnaB63]The info available here is amazing!  I am wondering if the silk base is easily stained?  For instance from sweat, or if the hair is dyed, when you was the unit, will the dye stain the lace?  other than personal preference, would TRK's be a better choice for longevity?[/QUOTE]
 
well i think its possible with some of the methods we use, as for instance to bleach the knots which at times have caused a orange coloring and the rit's dye remover that could be a concern for the silk as it would be with any material..b/c some have stained the lace using the cooking spray to protect the knots while dying the hair color..i wonder about the durability of the silk holding thru those types of processes.. i'm sure that wouldn't be as much as an issue, as the different methods we use for other things we do to tweak a unit..
 
but in my opinion the TRK's are the better options at least for me, b/c for most lace wig wear'ers the biggest concern are the knots.. some really are afraid to bleach them, and the visibility is another problem.. the silk base is an option for an alternative to hiding them better b/c of the holes being smaller, but they aren't totally invisible as i can see from the pictures.. i'd personally much rather prefer the options of the TRK's with a super fine swiss lace b/c the knots are the biggest concern, and the TRK's would resolve that issue..
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