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Hi, all! I've been a member here for a while, but I don't post much.

My husband wants me to go blonde. I only have bad experiences with coloring, so I want to do plenty of research before attempting this!  I read the coloring sticky, but I didn't understand enough to be confident in myself, so I'm asking you guys for help.  I have dark brown hair with red tones, but it's not this long anymore:



Hubby wants me to go all the way to platinum, but I want to do this nice and slow so that I can correct anything that goes wrong. I'm at a total loss... tell me where to start, please!

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If I were you,  I wouldn't even attempt it myself. I would find a reputable stylist who is willing to work gradually. Brunette to blonde isn't THAT big a deal, but with red undertones, it will be a bit tougher. More steps=more complicated=don't try this yourself! ;)
 
Also I'm a fan of darker blonde with light blonde highlights... maybe you could try working around the brown rather than bleaching it entirely?

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Yeah I don't want to do platinum. I want a darker blonde that looks natural.  Unfortunately, I can't afford to see a stylist right now. :(

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Posted: Sep 05, 2007 at 9:15pm
your hair is soooo nice and shiny....do you have color on it now?  if you do, you could try a color remover like color zap to help get the red out.....boy, i don't know...there is a woman named rebekah that posts, you might try to private msg her, i am telling you she knows what she is talking about...it is doable but you are being smart in getting all the info you can get..

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Thanks. :) Nope, no color at all on it. No chemicals at all. The only thing I do is that I straighten it with a CHI iron.    

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your hair is beautiful....i mean outstandingly so....it is so pretty that i cannot begin to tell you how to go about your quest....believe me, you will get lots of help that will be good.....i don't mean to sound motherish, but your hair is just lovely.  you will have to bleach....you do it in small increments.....you can use a blue based bleach that will help cancel out the reds....but just know in the process your hair will be red (that is part of the process, dark hair goes from dark to red to orange to yellow)  when i have used bleach, and i know that it cuts the strength and all but i do add conditioner to my mixture.....if you go in slow and i do mean slow increments you won't burn your hair off....i said i wasn't going to tell you things and i cannot seem to stop myself.....i have read cosmotology books and all that....i just don't want to tell anyone to do the wrong thing, especially when it comes to hair like yours....have you ever noticed like, take jessica simpson for instance....she went dark and it was over like a 2-3 month process for her to get her hair light again....ok, i wrote a saga...get lots of info and you'll be ok.

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Can you bleach in steps? I thought bleach was an all-or-nothing type thing. So I should start with a blue based bleach and add conditioner? Any particular type of either?    

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yes, bleach in steps...you can burn your hair off....i don't know that you should start w/a blue based bleaqch....i am out of my depth on this one erin....don't feel like i know enough to advise you....but you will get some real good ideas from your post....there are women on here with alot of experience going blonde.....those are who i would listen to....i'll keep up on your experience....i am facinated by the process just not experienced enough to tell you what to do....others will....Smile

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Yes, you can bleach in steps, but why bother...unless you want to adjust to the shock of being plat from black...lol. 
 
If you have virgin hair I would recommend getting some bleach at Sally Beauty supply with 20 vol.  It may take up to three bleachings to get your hair to a nice shade in order to tone it.  It needs to be bleached the color of the inside of a ripe banana color--pale yellow.  Then you can choose a toner to get the color nice. 
 
Hair can usually take three bleachings.  Bleach will last on the hair and bleach the color out as long as it isn't dry for 90 min.  After that rinse it off and start again with a new batch.  Prior to bleaching strand test to see how long it's going to take to bleach.  First you will need to apply the bleach to the ends and midshaft, last apply to the roots.  If you don't do it this way you can get what is called hot roots...when the bleach makes the roots a lighter shade than the rest of the hair...If hubby wants blonde then get him to help you with this job...it's really going to take someone else to get the bleach applied evenly and thoroughly.  If the bleach is not even, then you will get spots and have to rebleach those. 
 
I wouldn't get a blue based bleach, personally, because you really cannot tell how light the hair is with those bleaches, as they tone while bleaching.  Get a white bleach--on the scalp--and 20 vol. peroxide...STRAND TEST and time that strand test...you will likely have times close to that, not exact, but you'll get a good idea. 
 
I think this is all I can think of please ask if you have more questions.  Good luck.  Oh, by the way if you only want to go to a medium blonde then you only have to bleach the hair to that shade of undertone and then tone, but plat can be done.
 
Blonde hair is expensive to upkeep and is very damagaing, especially to dark hair.  You'll need good conditioners and to take good care of your hair. 
 
Good luck, hope this helps, and let us know what you decide. 
 
Rebekah

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I want to go in steps because I'm afraid to commit to all-out blonde without knowing what I'll look like and without knowing if the color is going to turn out how I expect it to. I know I am going to need some time to get used to it, and I think I can do that better if it gradually lightens over time instead of just being a blonde one day. You guys really think I should do it all in one step?

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deep condition between bouts of bleach.


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Now my husband is saying that he's not paying for ANYTHING unless I go platinum. :( What an ass. So how much time do I need between bleachings?  I'm I going to be able to maintain this?

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Here's what I would do if I were you...seriously.  Go buy a wig and wear it for awhile to see if you like being blonde first.  Yes, you can go blonde and maintain it, but it's expensive and a lot of work to keep pretty.  You have to tone a lot and bleach every 4 to six weeks, only the roots though.  Then there is the struggle to keep your hair a pretty blonde and not a brassy color.  If you don't want to try a blonde wig then try some on to decide what color you like best. 
 
I suggest going blonde all at once because it's the going gradual that can really fry your hair.  Why?  Highlights are usually first, then it's practically impossible to separate those out when you want to bleach it all...by the way no time needed really in between bleaching.
 
On second thought, you can go blonde, not plat of course, with heavy highlights then start bleaching the entire head to gradually go blonde, but there may be a problem with overlapping later. 
 
Good luck, I hope you decide what suits you best.  Honestly, I wouldn't go plat just because hubby wants me to.  I'd purchase a wig and save my beautiful hair, lol! 
 
I actually have my hair a tone on tone golden blonde, which I like.  Hubby would like it lighter, but it's just too much work for me, and I like this color better anyway, Smile.
 

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I'd love to end up with hair like yours!  What color are are you naturally? How did you get it so natural-looking with so much depth without frying it?  THAT's what I want!

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good idea about the wigs....i thought i would look good w/golden blonde hair---i am a natural redhead with blonde in it....well, i WAS WRONG....it washed my complexion out....when i added copper i looked sooo much better....there are so many shades of blonde that the wig idea is good....is ass hubby prepared to pay for you to go to a salon to maintain this look?  is the ass ready to pay for the toning and such if you run into problems?  did you tell him he is an ass?

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oh ya, rebekah, i too like your hair....it is really pretty.  i also like your ideas and such.

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LOL. Yes, I told him. He wants to maintain it ourselves. He is willing to pay someone to do the color the first time, but he thinks we can do the touchups and roots ourselves. That's why I'm here -- to learn how to do this.

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My hair...hmmm--the first time I ever colored it, it was RED, not a bad color really but not what I wanted. 
 
My natural color is a lightest golden brown, which means anything I do to my hair tends to go "gold" or "red", unless I bleach to pale yellow. 
 
That picture is of a tone on tone color.  Since my undertones are mainly "red and gold" I use a green based dye or ash to color my base.  Miss Clairol Moongold 42D,(medium ash blonde-warm) with 25 vol. peroxide for about 35 min.  Every 3 months, or even longer, I add some highlights with L'Oreal Excellence Creme Lights.  I used to use a cap to do this, but realized that I get the same results by selecting a few strands placed where I want them (I style my hair and put them where I want--a lot of work by the way), I use foils to do this--no more than probably about 6 to 10.  Tone on tone works nicely if you find two colors that compliment each other, the ash on my hair looks GOLD, then I blend a few light gold highlights in there, and I'm done. 
 
I'm very careful with my hair, trying not to curl it too often, and only shampoo it every other day or so.  I use conditioners every time and I have stuck with the same color for awhile now.  I don't change from light to dark ever, which will kill your hair.  Most importantly, I do it myself and don't ever let anyone else touch it, LOL!  I've had it fried a few times by professionals. 
 
Hope this helps.
 
Rebekah
 
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Thanks, Rebekah! I'm beginning to understand this a little better. I'm going to have to bleach to yellow or lighter and then tone to get believable color. Do I do both steps on the same night? erinspice2007-09-06 20:11:37

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Yes, you can and it may take three bleachings to get the hair that light. 

 
Good luck and let us know how it goes. 
 
You know what I would do?  I'd strand test a piece of hair to get the timing first and the toner you want to use.  Just a thought.
 
Rebekah

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So test all three bleachings worth PLUS toner on a strand and then do the rest?        

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That's what I would do and write down the times.  It "may" take three bleachings, but you never know.  Smile
 
Rebekah

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So I showed my husband this thread, to show him how hard it would be and what we'd have to do, and I warned him ahead of time that I called him an ass in the thread for only wanting platinum blonde.  He got really mad and we fought and he said "What the hell is my favorite hair?!" And of course, I knew what to say. Mine is his favorite. He hates it when I straighten it because he likes it messy and curly. It didn't really hit me until after it came out of my mouth how sweet he is. I don't really think he's an ass. He's such a sweet guy, and I hurt his feelings. :(

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Yes, I think your hair is beautiful too.  Personally wouldn't change a thing.  A blonde wig would be fun for you though.  The only reason I change my hair is because I used to be a yellow-golden blonde as a child and I really wanted my color back.  I'm glad you will be keeping your color Smile, do what makes YOU most happy.
 
Rebekah 

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[QUOTE=Rebekah]I'm glad you will be keeping your color Smile, do what makes YOU most happy.[/QUOTE]

Haha, I never said THAT, now! Tongue I might still do it for a while!
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