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BIGGMike View Drop Down
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Posted: Dec 27, 2005 at 10:47am

Why do dark skin brothers catch so much hell about their hair texture? Although most Africans are dark or brown skin with coarse hair. Here in America it is seen as  "nappy or bad hair". Light skin brothers with the "good hair" are seen a good looking. That's not cool!


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Did you know that most of the African slaves came from Nigeria, Gana, Niger, Senegal, Sierre Leone, and Gambia. All countries on the West coast of Africa. Some came from other African countries but most from the West. Most are dark or brown skin people with coarse hair. That's why I can't understand this hang up with coarse hair. Tell me if you feel me. Please reply. I want to know your thoughts on this matter.

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Dig it. Now days people try so hard to fit in that if you don't act, LOOK, or think like them then they think something's wrong with you.

I give props to all BLACK MEN/men of color for having enough faith to be different. This is what makes a true leader.

We been through hell and still going through it right now.

Discrimination against Black men is very high in the US.

Have yall been peepin all these Brothers getting put in jailed, put down, degraded, and even dissed by our own sister's. They saying we sorry, we gay, we DL brothers, we given them AIDS, we don't want to work when they know that women are more accepted in corporate America than Black men.  It's a sad state of affairs!

It's getting hard for a brother to keep his head up.

But like TUPAK said "You gotta keep your head up"


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Posted: Dec 27, 2005 at 10:47am

We catch that rep bc we repeatedly do it. The fact that we are so different & that we've been put through hell we are suppose to do better in the black woman


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Posted: Dec 27, 2005 at 10:47am

its because of our socialization. the whole colour thing is even worse here in the caribbean. especially i countries in jamaica that are so racially segmented. It stems from a racial-Economic conditioning. Those with lighter skin are Closer to white and are  assumed to be closer to  white people economically. In the caribbean where i live you could be UGLY  , but once you have light skin curly hair  and maybe green eyes  people will think you are an ADONIS.

 

They also assume all light skin people have more money than their darker counterparts


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Posted: Dec 28, 2005 at 10:47am
 I think its because light is seemed to be look better

and "good hair" is what u wil basically need for most of the stlyes

like waves softer hair lays down earier deeper waves

curls..your hair will curl naturally

i guess when people have to work extra hard with those styles they assume there hairs bad

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Posted: Dec 28, 2005 at 10:47am
They make fun of stuff like that go cover us their own insecurities. I've seen DL's hair and that nigga aint nobody 2 be talkin.

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Posted: Dec 29, 2005 at 10:47am
[QUOTE=allenglishboy]

its because of our socialization. the whole colour thing is even worse here in the caribbean. especially i countries in jamaica that are so racially segmented. It stems from a racial-Economic conditioning. Those with lighter skin are Closer to white and are  assumed to be closer to  white people economically. In the caribbean where i live you could be UGLY  , but once you have light skin curly hair  and maybe green eyes  people will think you are an ADONIS.

 

They also assume all light skin people have more money than their darker counterparts

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Posted: Dec 29, 2005 at 10:47am
IMO, a lot of this thinking has to do with the way society views "beauty"... basically if you don't have European features like light skin, wavy/curly texture hair, etc. you are on the other end of the spectrum---the not so good-looking end--which is totally STUPID!!. Beauty comes in all colors and hair types ...from the lightest to the darkest brown; straight to kinky/curly! My problem is that we as the Black race feed too much into this type of thinking!! And honestly, we judge each other the harshest. More value is placed on a person the lighter the skin or "better" the hair!? WTF? This stems back from slavery days (house vs. field n**ga mentality), those days are no longer and we need to let it go. AND the worse of this comes from our own brothas & sistas! It's a damn shame..really!

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Posted: Dec 29, 2005 at 10:47am
[QUOTE=BIGGMike]

Why do dark skin brothers catch so much hell about their hair texture? Although most Africans are dark or brown skin with coarse hair. Here in America it is seen as  "nappy or bad hair". Light skin brothers with the "good hair" are seen a good looking. That's not cool!

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hey BiggMike, not all light skin brothers and sisters have "good hair". trust me, i'm light and my hair is nappy. i use to get beatings to comb my hair when i was a child. but i see you posted this thread a while ago so i know you the answer to your question.


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[QUOTE=P Street][QUOTE=BIGGMike]

Why do dark skin brothers catch so much hell about their hair texture? Although most Africans are dark or brown skin with coarse hair. Here in America it is seen as  "nappy or bad hair". Light skin brothers with the "good hair" are seen a good looking. That's not cool!

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hey BiggMike, not all light skin brothers and sisters have "good hair". trust me, i'm light and my hair is nappy. i use to get beatings to comb my hair when i was a child. but i see you posted this thread a while ago so i know you the answer to your question.

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correction. you just posted this. i thought i read the month of march there.


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Posted: Dec 30, 2005 at 10:47am

Yea you are right, not all light skin people have "Good Hair". But remember we are talking about negative stereotypes.

There are plenty dark skin brother with "Good hair" but they are socialized to believe that it is bad hair. This is because of negative stereotypes that we see in the media and in society.

 

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 This is a Report Written by China Carter on 4-28-98 http://lilt.ilstu.edu/jhreid/theblack.htm


 

Black Representation of Whiteness

When one thinks of racial differences, one usually thinks of the tension between blacks and whites. When one thinks of stereotypes regarding the black and white issue, one


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I have had a very hard time in my life just being a 6'4, 250 pound Black MAN. People take one look at me and stereotype me. 

They don't know that I am college educated.

They don't know that I'm on the Deans list at my University.

They don't know that I am in the National Honor Society.

They don't know that I have always had a job since I was 13 years old.

They don't know that I am very spiritally connected to God. They don't know that I respect nature.

They don't know that I respect all foreign cultures and races.

However,...........I'm not Eurocentric. I have African American Pride, is there anything wrong with that?

Americans naturally want to put some one in a box and label them. If they can't label you, they reject you completely by employment discrimination, GENDER discrimination, and racial discrimination, and overall, Emasculation of males. I had one white woman tell me to shut up in one of my sociology classes. We were having an open discussion of race and gender issues. I spoke of how Black MEN are constantly marginalized  and our women are put on this high platto above us. The woman became very angry with me for telling the truth. She said Black men make more money and have more employment oppurtunities than Black women. I looked at her like she was retarded. How can she believe this when most of the Black men are going to jail, becoming homosexual because of emascalation, going crazy, being rejected from society and White corporate America, can't find a job with their college degrees, and their own women degrading them every chance they get in media.

I know how this why white woman could believe I was wrong. Could it be that she is not living in America as a Black MAN? Could it be that a White woman is the last person in America to really understand what No Freedom is?

Why would a white woman get angry with me for saying this? Is it because she was guilty of it or just did not want to hear the truth? Not all white people are racist, and not all racist are White men, but some are white women. Let the truth be told, it hurts but it's true. White men get black for many racist things, but they are not alone.

I had to say this because I was really hurt by this White woman who told me to shut up when I voiced my point of view about MY own RACE.

Think about the topic of this conversation....... Dark Skin Brothers

BIGGMike38716.5968402778

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Posted: Jan 01, 2006 at 10:47am
[QUOTE=BIGGMike]

I have had a very hard time in my life just being a 6'4, 250 pound Black MAN. People take one look at me and stereotype me. 

They don't know that I am college educated.

They don't know that I'm on the Deans list at my University.

They don't know that I am in the National Honor Society.

They don't know that I have always had a job since I was 13 years old.

They don't know that I am very spiritally connected to God. They don't know that I respect nature.

They don't know that I respect all foreign cultures and races.

However,...........I'm not Eurocentric. I have African American Pride, is there anything wrong with that?

Americans naturally want to put some one in a box and label them. If they can't label you, they reject you completely by employment discrimination, GENDER discrimination, and racial discrimination, and overall, Emasculation of males. I had one white woman tell me to shut up in one of my sociology classes. We were having an open discussion of race and gender issues. I spoke of how Black MEN are constantly marginalized  and our women are put on this high platto above us. The woman became very angry with me for telling the truth. She said Black men make more money and have more employment oppurtunities than Black women. I looked at her like she was retarded. How can she believe this when most of the Black men are going to jail, becoming homosexual because of emascalation, going crazy, being rejected from society and White corporate America, can't find a job with their college degrees, and their own women degrading them every chance they get in media.

I know how this why white woman could believe I was wrong. Could it be that she is not living in America as a Black MAN? Could it be that a White woman is the last person in America to really understand what No Freedom is?

Why would a white woman get angry with me for saying this? Is it because she was guilty of it or just did not want to hear the truth? Not all white people are racist, and not all racist are White men, but some are white women. Let the truth be told, it hurts but it's true. White men get black for many racist things, but they are not alone.

I had to say this because I was really hurt by this White woman who told me to shut up when I voiced my point of view about MY own RACE.

Think about the topic of this conversation....... Dark Skin Brothers

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ahhh real talk I like your big vocab i'll be using them in my writting

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BIGGMike View Drop Down
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Posted: Jan 04, 2006 at 10:47am

Vocabulary?

What about the topic?


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Posted: Jan 04, 2006 at 10:47am
lol

I kind of get what the topic is about

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Posted: Jan 06, 2006 at 10:47am

lol smh Big vocab? U have to enlighten yourself brotha


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[QUOTE=BIGGMike]

I have had a very hard time in my life just being a 6'4, 250 pound Black MAN. People take one look at me and stereotype me. 

They don't know that I am college educated.

They don't know that I'm on the Deans list at my University.

They don't know that I am in the National Honor Society.

They don't know that I have always had a job since I was 13 years old.

They don't know that I am very spiritally connected to God. They don't know that I respect nature.

They don't know that I respect all foreign cultures and races.

However,...........I'm not Eurocentric. I have African American Pride, is there anything wrong with that?

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Ohhh, Bigg MIke I'm think I'm in luvvvvv  You sound like a dream and definitely a "role model" of sorts to some of our African American brothas.

On the real, I sooo feel you on the stereotype thing. My husband is a dark chocolate, 6'2 and 200lbs and he also wears his hair shaved. Sometimes I'm amazed at the "looks" he gets when we're out. Little old white ladies wanting to "clutch their purse" ya know. Its sad but true that black men are judged on appearance w/o people getting to know who they really are. He's a college educated professional, church going, loving father, devoted husband and GREAT provider for his family.

Push on my brotha. And don't be discouraged by people like the white woman in your class. People fear what they don't understand and take offense at the truth.


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Posted: Jan 06, 2006 at 10:47am

BrownEyez2 thank you, I needed that.

I'm use to being constantly marginalized and what's really sad is, I'm my worst critic. I'm harder on myself than anyone can every be.

One thing I have learn, No matter what I do, it's never a enough for people who don't know me. So ignore them and keep doing me.  


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im dark skined and i have very good hair but that probaly cause im mixed with domincan and indian but mostly black and women or girls they dont always like all light skin people cause im only 13 and everywhere i go some older woman either staring at me sometime when i in the mall some older will even aproach me until they findout my age but if they younger then 17 then we would date but not know cause i got a wifey 300

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[QUOTE=300 degreez]im dark skined and i have very good hair but that probaly cause im mixed with domincan and indian but mostly black and women or girls they dont always like all light skin people cause im only 13 and everywhere i go some older woman either staring at me sometime when i in the mall some older will even aproach me until they findout my age but if they younger then 17 then we would date but not know cause i got a wifey 300[/QUOTE]

 I don't understand a word you just said Can we get some punctuation please?

Nah, but seriously...what's up with the good hair/bad hair stuff?  What is good hair?  Black people really need to back up off this kind of labeling for real.  We don't need to give it any credence at all  None.  Saying "Yeah, I have good hair" is only feeding into the lie.  Good hair, is HEALTHY hair of any type--its not good simply b/c the curl texture is looser or whatever.  I know you are only 13, but dude its time to drop that mess. 

When people say that my son or daughter have that "good hair" I cringe and say, Yes, they have healthy hair.  It is our own people that do it.  Nobody else.  I don't hear white or any other race of people saying-- yeah she has good hair!  It really shows the level of understanding and maturity the person has making comments like that.  It really is ignorance.  I'm sorry to go on and on, but this issue seriously bothers me.


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SORRY WHAT IM SAYING IS WHAT EVER THEY CONSIDER GOOD HAIR YOU DONT HAVE TO BE LIGHTSKIN TOO HAVE IT AND SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT GIRLS ARE LIKE LIGHTSKIN MEN BETTER AND THATS NOT TRUE I WAS JUST GIVING AN EXAMPLE SHOULD HAVE MADE IT MORE CLEAR I APOGIZE

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nahhh, thats cool I think I've been on the boards a lil too long today-- I'm snappin' at  people and stuff

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I have the same prob as BIGGMIKE I'm 6'0 235 athletic build, I get all kinds of honors and I am very active in the community. Yet when I walk down the street women grab their purses, and I get followed a lot in stores. It's also very hard for me to get a job. Me & a few friends who are white did this thing where we went to different places and submitted job applications. I would usually turn mines in 10 mins earlier than they would and places would say they were full and when one of my friends gave them their applications they would call them in for an interview the next day.

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